"Were the other 114 times Quentin has been hit all on purpose?"

Of course. Which is why he's charged the mound 114 times.

artie_fufkin wrote:

"If Quentin doesn't want to get hit, move back off the plate. But if you crowd the plate, you lose the right to bitch when you get hit."

There's a difference between throwing inside and throwing up around a guy's head and shoulders. Bob Gibson threw inside, but he wasn't a headhunter.

Greinke didn't throw at Quentin's head. He hit him just above the elbow with an off-speed pitch (the gun showed 89 mph). If the pitch had been 4 inches further inside, it would have hit Quentin in the ribs. 

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"If Quentin doesn't want to get hit, move back off the plate. But if you crowd the plate, you lose the right to bitch when you get hit."

There's a difference between throwing inside and throwing up around a guy's head and shoulders. Bob Gibson threw inside, but he wasn't a headhunter.

Greinke didn't throw at Quentin's head. He hit him just above the elbow with an off-speed pitch (the gun showed 89 mph). If the pitch had been 4 inches further inside, it would have hit Quentin in the ribs. 

It looked closer to the shoulder than the elbow. And I've still not read anything about what Greinke said to Quentin, though admittedly I haven't scoured the internet for it.
 

When I saw the video from behind the plate, it appeared Greinke said something. But at 89 mph, I'm guessing it was a slider that didn't slide. 

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"a 245 pound guy is charging the mound"

The Dodgers are still crying like Greinke was the innocent victim of some random car-jacking. Don't hit the 245-pound guy in the arm with a 90 mph fastball and he won't charge the mound.
 

It was a mistake.  That's like blaming Aaron Miles for ending Juan Encarnacion's career with a foul ball to the eye. 

 

Really?? So the other two times Greinke hit Quentin, those were also mistakes and Quentin is just a victim of unfortunate coincidence?

If the other times were on purpose, then that is when Quentin should have charged the mound, if that is his style.  

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"If Quentin doesn't want to get hit, move back off the plate. But if you crowd the plate, you lose the right to bitch when you get hit."

There's a difference between throwing inside and throwing up around a guy's head and shoulders. Bob Gibson threw inside, but he wasn't a headhunter.

Greinke didn't throw at Quentin's head. He hit him just above the elbow with an off-speed pitch (the gun showed 89 mph). If the pitch had been 4 inches further inside, it would have hit Quentin in the ribs. 

It looked closer to the shoulder than the elbow. And I've still not read anything about what Greinke said to Quentin, though admittedly I haven't scoured the internet for it.
 

He said, "don't look at me.  you hang your elbow over the plate and it's gonna get hit once in a while."

Who knows what the fuck he said?   But you lose your own argument when you resort to "what did Greinke say" as an explanation for why Quentin charged the mound. 

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Greinke didn't throw at Quentin's head. He hit him just above the elbow with an off-speed pitch (the gun showed 89 mph). If the pitch had been 4 inches further inside, it would have hit Quentin in the ribs. 

It looked closer to the shoulder than the elbow. And I've still not read anything about what Greinke said to Quentin, though admittedly I haven't scoured the internet for it.
 

He said, "don't look at me.  you hang your elbow over the plate and it's gonna get hit once in a while."

Who knows what the fuck he said?   But you lose your own argument when you resort to "what did Greinke say" as an explanation for why Quentin charged the mound. 

First of all, it's not my argument. It's Quentin's.

"If Greinke hadn't said anything, "There's a chance I don't" rush the mound, Quentin said. "Like I said, there is a history there, which is the reason I reacted like I did. Who knows what happens if he doesn't say anything or if he motions that it wasn't intentional?"

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130412/SPORTS0104/304120437#ixzz2Qdqh97ZU

Secondly, it's one thing to use a guy for target practice. It's another thing to taunt a guy after you've used him for target practice. I still don't know if Greinke taunted Quentin. He might have asked him how his family is doing for all anyone has admitted. But I'm guessing it wasn't that.
 

alz wrote:

I don't know, it's unfortunate that Grienke broke his collar bone, but lowering your shoulder without pads into a 245 pound man is going to produce that result.

Indeed, that's actually what it's there for, to absorb the shock from a side impact, and often to break if need be.  Primates--like us--have them, presumably to help survive a fall from the trees.  Lots of other mammals don't have them: try looking on your dog, cat, rabbitt, hamster, whatever.  

I'm hesitant to bring my own experience into the discussion, and I certainly never played anywhere near the level of Zack Greinke or Carlos Quentin, but I did pitch from the time I was 9-years-old into my early 40s, and I never purposely threw at a hitter. Did I throw inside? Sure. Did I occasionally hit guys? Sure. But I always made sure the hitter knew it wasn't intentional. Tip your cap, ask the guy if he's all right, whatever. Again, no one has said what Greinke said to Quentin, but judging by the reaction, I'm guessing Greinke didn/t ask him what his dinner plans were for after the game.