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Elway to Marino
I don't watch ESPN much anymore because of all the self-aggrandizing bullshit and it's virtual ignorance of the NHL, but the 30 For 30 series continues to be exceptional programming. I just watched the episode about the 1983 NFL draft and it's maybe the most interesting sports documentary I've ever seen.
I won't spoil everything for you guys if you haven't seen it yet, but if the agent who represented both Elway and Marino is to be believed, the Raiders were this close to trading for Elway on draft day, but Pete Rozelle intimidated the Bears into backing out of what would have been a 3-way deal with the Colts.
Imagine how the course of NFL history would have changed if the Raiders instead of the Broncos had ended up with Elway.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
Imagine how the course of NFL history would have changed if the Raiders instead of the Broncos had ended up with Elway.
There would have been a lot of first downs called back because of phantom holding penalties?
I second "30 for 30" being great. Go figure that Jackie Bradley's HOF booster is the brains behind it.
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Imagine how the course of NFL history would have changed if the Raiders instead of the Broncos had ended up with Elway.
There would have been a lot of first downs called back because of phantom holding penalties?
I second "30 for 30" being great. Go figure that Jackie Bradley's HOF booster is the brains behind it.
I used to think my mother-in-law's nom de plume was Bill Simmons, but then I heard him on the radio and knew his voice is way too effeminate.
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I'm one of the few people who admits to actually liking Simmons, but he is just awful when he's talking baseball. I can't stand reading someone who comes from a homer's perspective.
And yes, his voice can be grating.
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"I'm one of the few people who admits to actually liking Simmons"
One of the few? How about one of the two. You and Simmons.
Seriously, he usually knows his subject, but at some point it always comes back to him. I really don't care what brand of potato chips he and his father were eating in their den when they watched the Celtics beat the Sixers in Game 7 of the 1981 Eastern Conference finals.
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I also ended up watching that, I left ESPN and stumbled into it. I guess this was around the point in time where Al Davis was suing for the right to move his franchise.
But man if that was true, that would have shipped Howie Long over for a draft pick, that's just crazy to even fathom.
A bunch of people that clearly didn't want to throw hard line blames were saying things like .... "They had agreed on the people for the trade, and we were all but finalized, and then the NFL calls the Bears.... All of the sudden, they wanted more, but wouldn't come back to the negotiating table to even discuss it".
I can't remember ever hearing the last time a teams general manager refused to field a discussion for a trade.... All I can say is they better be REALLY glad that shit happened in 1983, and not in 2013... With all of the e-communication? Course I say that .... but anyone see the Chris Paul // Lakers deal get completely iced, and two days later Paul is a Clipper (A league owned franchise)? Maybe it does happen today...
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"I also ended up watching that, I left ESPN and stumbled into it. I guess this was around the point in time where Al Davis was suing for the right to move his franchise."
There are so many dynamics to the Davis/Rozelle feud that it could be it's own documentary. At the time, you needed permission from the other owners if you wanted to move an NFL franchise. Davis thought his team ought to be able to move like any other business in the country, and that's what landed them in court. Davis always insisted that Rozelle wanted the L.A. market for himself, so he could put an expansion team in the Coliseum.
"But man if that was true, that would have shipped Howie Long over for a draft pick, that's just crazy to even fathom."
Long and Davis didn't have the best working relationship. When Long retired, Davis was pissed because he though Long had a couple of good years left as a player.
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