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5/18/2013 5:14 pm  #1


5/18

Cardinals lineup:

Carpenter, 2B

Jay, CF

Holliday, LF

Craig, RF

Molina, C

Adams, 1B

Freese, 3B

Kozma, SS

Lynn, P

Milwaukee lineup

Aoki, RF

Segura, SS

Braun, LF

Ramirez, 3B

Lucroy, C

Gomez, CF

Betancourt, 1B

Bianchi, 2B

Estrada, P

 

5/18/2013 9:04 pm  #2


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Rosenthal fools nobody. Too straight.

 

5/18/2013 9:46 pm  #3


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Descalso needs to go.

 

5/19/2013 12:49 am  #4


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Can you imagine being a manager on a major league baseball team, bottom of the ninth, game tied, two out, bases loaded, pitcher due up,  . . , and your best option is Daniel Descalso?

Yes, the bench is a bit weak.

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5/19/2013 12:50 am  #5


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Hell Wainwright can hit a little bit, wasn't he available?

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5/19/2013 10:08 am  #6


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If the bench is weak it's not because of Descalso.

 

5/19/2013 10:36 am  #7


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artie_fufkin wrote:

If the bench is weak it's not because of Descalso.

I don't think it's because of Descalso, but he definitely does not help.

 

5/19/2013 10:37 am  #8


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artie_fufkin wrote:

If the bench is weak it's not because of Descalso.

So much seems to hinge on the starter going deep. Into the bullpen early enough, the bench bats and late-/extra-inning defensive options deplete rapidly. What ever happened to the "long relief" concept?

 

5/19/2013 11:14 am  #9


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My point wasn't to say that Descalso was the weakest guy on the bench, but rather, if he is your BEST option, then the bench is pretty darned weak.  

But yeah, Artie's point is a good one, strong starting pitching can not only mask a weak bullpen, but also a weak bench.  Matheny had already used Wiinginton, who came through.

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5/19/2013 11:36 am  #10


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Max wrote:

My point wasn't to say that Descalso was the weakest guy on the bench

Him and Wigginton are equally useless and the Cardinals will be better off finding upgrades. 

 

5/19/2013 11:55 am  #11


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It takes a lot of courgae--and job security--for a GM to give up on a guy he signed, as quickly as we should have upgraded Wigginton.  

When "baseball issues" conflict with "personal issues" for players, the memebers of FO are ideological lions.
When the same conflict arises for themselves, they are wusses who play "CYA".

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5/19/2013 12:00 pm  #12


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The story of the Cardinals' reliance on Descalso has been almost Wrigleyian in its optimism: "Scrappy-the-Overachiever plays the game the right way and rises to the occassion, filling a gap at a critical moment as heorically as the Screamin' Eagles plugged the dike at Bastogne.  So, sure, why not? he can be our everday utility infielder."

I wish the man well, but I wish the Cardinals had a better option.

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5/19/2013 4:10 pm  #13


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Descalso is a late inning defensive replacement who can start once a week against a right-handed pitcher. I seem to remember him flousrishing in that role in the 2011 post-season, and he came up with a pretty big hit in Washington last year.
If he's a poor option with the bases loaded and two outs in the 10th inning, it's because the other four spots on the bench after taken up by a player who can't play any position but first base, a fourth outfielder who can't hit the ball over the fence from second base, a backup catcher who has about a dozen at bats so far this season and won't play until the starter drops dead, and a useless waste of a roster space on Ty Wigginton.
To say nothing of the rationale of having six right-handed relievers in the bullpen, two of whom never get the ball after the seventh inning unless the Cardinals are ahead or behind by a half-dozen runs.

 

5/19/2013 4:51 pm  #14


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Well, he shouldn't have been put in that situation last night and wouldn't have been if Matheny wasn't in love with double switches, but at the end of the day Descalso is a pretty terrible hitter, and he's the team's fourth-string third baseman. He can play a competent second base, but so can Jamie Romak in Memphis. 

Backup infielders are basically loose change, but I'm not sure there are too many guys floating around the league who would've done as terribly as Descalso did last night against Axford. Axford never threw him a single strike, which isn't surprising since he didn't throw anyone a strike after Holliday tagged him for a double. I mean, all he had to do was stand there and let Axford throw balls in the dirt. 

He's just a useless player and I hope the Cardinals can find someone who hits better than .197.

 

5/19/2013 6:11 pm  #15


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Descalso is a late inning defensive replacement

For second base, and for maybe SS owing to a predicatble injury.

The Cardinals have had some surprising success by jettisoning all pretence of any interest in the defensive capabilities of their starting players, but one of the down sides of this is that we could justify having a "late inning defensive replacement" for pretty much every position except catcher, a position that needs a back-up anyway. 

If the team is going to put so much pressure on their bench positions, it might help to find guys who are versatile, can play a few positions and get on base, maybe run the bases with a little bit of speed.  Just sayin'
 

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5/19/2013 6:21 pm  #16


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And let me be clear, I am not knocking the guy.  But as nice as Joe McEwing and Bo Hart stories are, I'm not sure it's in the best interest of the team to keep a guy on a major league roster because he happened to rise to the occassion in a couple of key instances in a way that made him look like David slaying Goliath to the fans.  

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5/19/2013 8:15 pm  #17


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He's not Bo Hart. Bo Hart was out of the major leagues in less than one calendar year. Descalso has already played in 26 post-season games, so he's been on the field for more than "a couple of key instances." He's leading the league in range factor/ 9 innings among second basemen this year and had a better range factor last year than the guy who won the Gold Glove at second base.

 

5/19/2013 10:25 pm  #18


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I wish I knew what Ryan Jackson did to piss off Matheny. He's basically a right-handed version of Descalso (which would probably come in handy) and happens to have an OPS of .920 at Memphis. The team damn near released Kozma last year in favor of keeping Jackson, yet in less than 12 months, Jackson has found himself relegated to Siberia. 

 

5/20/2013 8:15 am  #19


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forsberg_us wrote:

I wish I knew what Ryan Jackson did to piss off Matheny. He's basically a right-handed version of Descalso (which would probably come in handy) and happens to have an OPS of .920 at Memphis. The team damn near released Kozma last year in favor of keeping Jackson, yet in less than 12 months, Jackson has found himself relegated to Siberia. 

It's Wigginton's fault ...

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/cardinals-analysis/2013/5/18/4343304/pete-kozma-ryan-jackson-cardinals-2013
 

 

5/20/2013 11:30 am  #20


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Good article.

What would a team do with 25 guys?  I have sometimes mentioned on this board the days when each team used to have a picnh-runner specialist on their bench, brought in to steal second base in case the leadoff hitter got on base in the last inning of a tight game.  The next guy would bunt him to third, and with their last two outs they'd try to bring him home.   . . . and the guy pretty much never came in for any other reason.  

Remember when basketball teams used to have FIFTEEN guys???

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5/20/2013 11:40 am  #21


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Yada, yada, yada . . . each time I bring up Bo Hart as a metaphor, someone has to take the argument literally.  Bo Hart and Joe McEwing were David vs. Goliath feel good stories.  David Freese was, too, but that doesn't mean his career has to be as short as was Bo Hart's in order to make the comparison.  It's not just that, like the lawn gnome, they play hard and disciplined on the field, but that they came through in a big way at a visible moment.  As if to prove the point, you dredge up his performance in the post season from two years ago, which is exactly what I was referring to in my original rant.  When a career .241/.313/.645 guy comes up big in a key spot, it's called luck.  

He is decent on defense, he's very dependable, and 'Scal would make a serviceable utlity infielder the way Skip Schumaker would've made a servicable utility outfielder.  But the guy can't hit for average, power, nor does he have any speed to speak of.  He's OK.  But his name on the roster should be written in pencil, not etched in granite.  

And, yes, I would agree that his position on the roster looks worse because Wigginton is also there.  Wigginton is supposed to be the John Mabry / Scott Spezio of the bench, but so far he appears to be a complete waste.

 

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5/20/2013 12:09 pm  #22


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Max wrote:

Good article.

What would a team do with 25 guys?  I have sometimes mentioned on this board the days when each team used to have a picnh-runner specialist on their bench, brought in to steal second base in case the leadoff hitter got on base in the last inning of a tight game.  The next guy would bunt him to third, and with their last two outs they'd try to bring him home.   . . . and the guy pretty much never came in for any other reason.  

Remember when basketball teams used to have FIFTEEN guys???

Herb Washington was the Olympic sprinter who Charlie Finley hired as a "designated runner," an idea which lasted until Washington got picked off by Mike Marshall in the World Series.

The NBA draft used to have something like 11 or 12 rounds. I think every eligible college basketball player taller than 6-foot-2 got drafted in 1973.
 

 

5/20/2013 12:10 pm  #23


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"each time I bring up Bo Hart as a metaphor, someone has to take the argument literally"

Sorry. I wasn't aware Bo Hart was a concept. 

 

5/20/2013 1:35 pm  #24


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Sorry. I wasn't aware Bo Hart was a concept. 

Not a concept, a "meme".  Speak like a journalist who has written something for the internet this year.  I am doubling down on that!

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