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artie_fufkin wrote:
"people criticizing him for a trade made back in 2004."
I still say the rationale behind that trade was sound. If Mulder doesn't get hurt ...
Which makes it all the more believeable that it was office politics and that, to paraphrase Paul Wolfowitz, that trade was not the reason Jocketty got canned, as much as it was the reason they could all agree on.
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I don't know that I've ever heard anyone claim Jocketty was fired because of the Mulder trade. Jocketty was fired because ownership was tired of the clashes between Jocketty and his supporters and Luhnow and his supporters, and ownership sided with Luhnow's group. I don't believe anyone has ever claimed otherwise.
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I don't know that I've ever heard anyone claim Jocketty was fired because of the Mulder trade. Jocketty was fired because ownership was tired of the clashes between Jocketty and his supporters and Luhnow and his supporters, and ownership sided with Luhnow's group. I don't believe anyone has ever claimed otherwise.
I'm not going to look it up now. I think a disappointing season in 2007 was the springboard. I think the Mulder trade was held against him. I think the office politics between the Luhnow camp and the baseball men was the critical factor.
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Here's the story from the Cardinals own website
"I think that we had a little different philosophy and vision with respect to some baseball issues," DeWitt said. "There was clearly tension that was reported widely, not only locally but nationally in the organization. While I've said on several occasions that tension is in every organization, I do think it got to the point with the Cardinals that is was counter-productive. We couldn't achieve our objectives given what was going on inside the organization."
Jocketty took umbrage at the 2006 promotion of Jeff Luhnow, who had been head of amateur scouting, to a position that oversees both scouting and player development. The move came at the expense of Bruce Manno, one of Jocketty's closest aides.
"He clearly didn't agree with the decision," DeWitt said. "I think he said that publicly. I think that my view is that one person should run both: procurement, development and international. Three things, but international is really procurement. And he felt it should be split."
FWIW, that's what I was always told--that Jocketty was really pissed when Manno was fired.
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Well, there are a few things I think we can both agree on:
1. People always mean what they say and never try to hide their true motivations.
2. There's always one side to every controversy.
3. If you want to know the behind the scenes story for the how's and why's a particular controversy happened the way it did, simply go to the corporate website and read how they explained it.
Thanks for sleuthing this all the way back to the corporate website to track down the REAL reason Jocketty was shit-canned.
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Not sure why I bother to check anywhere but the corporate website, but one quick google search reveals these two (as well as your source).
"The Mulder trade also caused a lot of people to question Jocketty’s sanity (and not just the usual second-guessers --- a decent chunk of Cardinal nation opposed the trade at the time it went down). And then Walt compounded the problem by re-signing Mulder as a free agent after his shoulder surgery. It was as if Jocketty couldn’t admit he was wrong about Mulder --- as if the re-signing was motivated by concern over his personal reputation, rather than the team’s needs."
"It will be interesting to see who DeWitt hires as the new GM as he's already stated a preference for someone between the age of 30 and 40 with a player-development background and an understanding of a middle-market operation. Translation: Someone to work alongside Luhnow and DeWitt."