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11/29/2010 1:23 pm  #126


Re: Oregon Ducks quest for greatness!

Mags wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

I think I could coach Cam Newton. Successfully. Unfortunately, he's probably the second coming of Vince Young as far as the NFL types are concerned.

Maybe you could but I've seen two games this season in which Malzone's game plan was the difference for Auburn, if you count watching most of the second half of the Arkansas game as watching a game.  Newton is a great athlete and a smart one too but with most coaches in the country every game would be a toss-up.  He'd be running all over the field displaying his spectacular athleticism and surprising everyone in the stadium with his moves, including his own players.  Instead, against both Arkansas and Alabama, Auburn played the game like the clock wouldn't run out until they got the lead and they wore the defense down to the point where it bore no resemblance to the one that took the field in the first quarter.

It's going to be interesting to see how the South Carolina game plays out. You could argue SC would have beaten Auburn in September if the Gamecocks hadn't turned the ball over four times in the fourth quarter, but Spurrier is probably too wise a coach to think he can try to out-score Auburn and live to tell about it.

 

12/02/2010 12:01 pm  #127


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Just so I get this. Cecil Newton asks for 180K-200K in benefits from Miss St. This is confirmed, according to NCAA reports, despite Cecil Newton lying about it. There was a bona fide rule violation here, and Auburn made Cam Newton ineligible and immediately applied for re-instatement.

Since the NCAA cannot prove Cam had knowledge of this solicitation, he's still allowed to play?

You just gave every parent or every student athlete full license to try and get money to influence the athletes choice of school, and of course the athlete doesn't know. Didn't Reggie Bush get nailed to the cross becuase his parents were tabbing out on his career early? Or was the infraction that Reggie KNEW they were getting comps?

I am not certain what the intent was here, but it honestly looks like the NCAA didn't want to compromise the integrity of it's BCS title game, not the sport/spirit of collegiate athletics. You know who should really be steamed about this is TCU. As far as I can tell based on the History of Reggie Bush, this entire season should be vacated by Auburn due to playing an ineligible player, and that puts them #2.

Well whatever, here's hoping Oregon thumps Oregon State and then kicks Auburns ass (many of you do not believe, but you will. Give it a month and I'll show you).

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12/02/2010 12:23 pm  #128


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You get a five star rec from me, ALZ.

 

12/02/2010 1:17 pm  #129


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I think Oregon will win the championship, Alz. Everyone yaps about the SEC's athletes, but I swear Oregon has the fastest skill players on the planet. Assuming both teams get there, it's going to be a crazy game.

 

12/02/2010 1:35 pm  #130


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tkihshbt wrote:

I think Oregon will win the championship, Alz. Everyone yaps about the SEC's athletes, but I swear Oregon has the fastest skill players on the planet. Assuming both teams get there, it's going to be a crazy game.

BTW, my recs for ALZ were for the comments about the lack of integrity of the NCAA.  I haven't the foggiest idea how Oregon and LSU match up.

As far as predicting outcomes of games, I'll borrow from a quote attributed to Jess Neely in after his Rice team, in one of the last games he coached, upset a very good Texas team in 1965 for what I believe was Rice's only win of the season:

“Thar aar no ex-purts when young boys get together and play."

Neely was renowned for his Southern Gentleman's drawl.

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12/02/2010 2:38 pm  #131


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So I feel as if I'm left for one redeeming shot at grace here. The NCAA will not live up to the integrity or guidelines that it laid down so mercilessly on Reggie Bush (and make no mistake, I am an Oregon fan, nothing makes me happier than watching USC suffer), I must hopefully be able to rely on the Heisman voters to understand there was a rule violation with this guy, and to make him accountable for it.

I'm not going to spout off about LaMichael James status, it can go to Luck or Kellen Moore. I don't care who claims the Heisman, but I would certainly hope someone holds Newton to some level of accountability and ensures they won't be having to take it back later....

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12/02/2010 2:42 pm  #132


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alz wrote:

So I feel as if I'm left for one redeeming shot at grace here. The NCAA will not live up to the integrity or guidelines that it laid down so mercilessly on Reggie Bush (and make no mistake, I am an Oregon fan, nothing makes me happier than watching USC suffer), I must hopefully be able to rely on the Heisman voters to understand there was a rule violation with this guy, and to make him accountable for it.

I'm not going to spout off about LaMichael James status, it can go to Luck or Kellen Moore. I don't care who claims the Heisman, but I would certainly hope someone holds Newton to some level of accountability and ensures they won't be having to take it back later....

Alz, I am no USC fan either, but I am a big fan of Mitch Mustain.  I wish he'd transferred to Oregon, or to Vandy.

 

12/02/2010 9:58 pm  #133


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"I would certainly hope someone holds Newton to some level of accountability"

I thought this was a college football thread, but it can't be because the word 'accountability' is in play.
I'll come in again.

 

12/02/2010 10:52 pm  #134


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artie_fufkin wrote:

"I would certainly hope someone holds Newton to some level of accountability"

I thought this was a college football thread, but it can't be because the word 'accountability' is in play.
I'll come in again.

5 stars.

 

12/02/2010 11:36 pm  #135


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Time will tell whether Oregon has the best football team, but they're pretty lousy when it comes to uniform design.

I'd love to hear the explanation of the person who decided that white letters on a white basketball uniform was a good idea.

 

12/03/2010 12:29 am  #136


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forsberg_us wrote:

Time will tell whether Oregon has the best football team, but they're pretty lousy when it comes to uniform design.

I'd love to hear the explanation of the person who decided that white letters on a white basketball uniform was a good idea.

Isn't Nike's Phil Knight a big Oregon booster? I'm surprised he didn't commission a better design.

 

12/03/2010 1:03 am  #137


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forsberg_us wrote:

Time will tell whether Oregon has the best football team, but they're pretty lousy when it comes to uniform design.

I'd love to hear the explanation of the person who decided that white letters on a white basketball uniform was a good idea.

They had those on their football unis. I feel dumb admitting this, but at first I wasn't sure what those flourishes were on their shoulders, until my 10-year-old figured out they were supposed to be feathers.

 

12/03/2010 2:13 pm  #138


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Not crazy about the white Uniforms, well not the ones with the white nameplates (That makes sense.... seriously), but the rest look awesome to me. I love the highlighter yellow ones to be honest, no idea why, but it's just awesome. Love the Dark green, and their helmets look awesome to me (even the white ones).

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12/03/2010 4:49 pm  #139


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alz wrote:

Not crazy about the white Uniforms, well not the ones with the white nameplates (That makes sense.... seriously), but the rest look awesome to me. I love the highlighter yellow ones to be honest, no idea why, but it's just awesome. Love the Dark green, and their helmets look awesome to me (even the white ones).

Oh my goodness, Alz. My eyes ache just thinking about Oregon's uniforms. The tragic part is they had a much more distinctive and classy look with the green jersey and the gold helmet with the UO logo back in the day. Now they look like something a cat threw up.

 

12/03/2010 4:52 pm  #140


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I hated the UO logo, the donald duck railing through the O just looked too "Disney" to me. I love the "O", and the color scheme for it. Not crazy about the winglingz or whatever they are, but the rest of the colored (racist!) uniforms are shit hot!

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12/03/2010 7:09 pm  #141


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I meant the simple interlocking UO. And as Disney as he looks, you diss the duck at your own peril ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkbKjtuNJhQ

 

12/06/2010 2:49 pm  #142


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It is time. The Oregon Ducks have indeed ran the gauntlet that is the PAC-10 and will be playing for everything in the BCS National Championship Game. Contrary to my earlier thoughts, tickets (which were about 470.00 a seat) are now up around 800.00 and that's really more than I want to spend to watch a football game.

Facing up against Auburn, there are a lot of things about this matchup that scream this will be a game for the ages. For me personally, Oregon has made it where I had hoped they would get. No letdown games. People don't focus much on Oregon's defense, or the fact that they have one, but a monumental piece of beating Oregon State was that towards the end of the game, the Ducks had deflected 9 passes. Jaquizz Rodgers is a handful, and if the Ducks can keep him marginally in check, I think they can deal with Cam Newton as well. I think Newton passes a little better than Oregon, but Oregon runs with multiple people (Barner, James, Thomas) and they do it with a pace that is humbling for defenses. Honestly this looks like the ultimate game of "Anything you can do, I can do better".

The only way I see Auburn beating Oregon is to kill them early, and then match them score for score going down the stretch. Oregon will make mistakes, but you need to convert those to touchdowns, not field goals. This will be nothing Auburn has ever seen before in the SEC where it's a lot more paced smashmouth football. Oregon runs on 15 second clocks and many times is snapping with a the play clock still sitting on 25-30 seconds. Given the simplicity of Oregon's offense and check-down read system, I don't know that you can really do much to take Oregon off their game. Oregon will score 30 points regardless. Since this game is in the PAC 10 domain, I don't expect to consider Glensdale an "away" game, certainly not when compared to Auburn's travel. It's also a place and region that the Ducks play every year.

If Auburn comes out like they did against Alabama, they are dead meat. Similarly, if Oregon comes out the same way they did against Stanford, they are toast. If a team gets up by 17+ early, neither of these teams die at the finish. Head to head with Oregon's tempo I have to give the 4th quarter/second half to Oregon.

In my mind it really is that close. Can Auburn stretch out enough in the first half to hold out for the second half.

Given my fanship, I say no. Oregon wins 53-40. I believe in the tempo of the pistol, and I believe that there's only one team in the nation that can play against it (The team that's had to practice against it all year).

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12/06/2010 3:03 pm  #143


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Alz,

I hope your right.  I'd love to see Oregon the national champs and they very well may be.  But I have to question some of your assumptions - particularly the one that Auburn is not their equal in a fast paced game.  Assuming that Malzahn hasn't already departed for Vandy or some other lucky school.

Like Guderian on armored warfare, he's the one who wrote the book on the no-huddle offense and he now works with a coach who is willing to let him do things his way.  Although I am convinced that Cam Newton is the best college quarterback in the country, and probably one of the best paid in football, I don't think he is the ideal QB for the no-huddle offense.  But I'd be surprised if isn't up to the job.

Good luck to you.  I wish I could spare 6 1/2 hours to watch the game.

 

12/06/2010 3:37 pm  #144


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Alz, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I almost spit out my soda when I read "the gauntlet that is the Pac-10."  Is that the same Pac-10 that is sending a 6-6 Washington to the Holiday Bowl as the #3 school in the conference?

Stanford was a nice win, but Auburn has wins over Alabama, Arkansas and South Carolina (twice).  If either of these teams ran a gauntlet, it wasn't the Ducks.

 

12/06/2010 4:47 pm  #145


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Fors, I was running back through a quote by Artie at the beginning of the season.

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Assuming both Oregon and Ohio State run the table"

I still think no one goes through the Pac 10 this year undefeated. There are just too many tough teams week after week. I hate to light the match to this stick of dynamite, but until the NCAA institutes a playoff system, the BCS people will still insist that 12-0 in the Big Ten is better than 11-1 in the Pac 10, and it ain't so this year.

To be an instigator (and yes I'll easily concede the SEC is a tougher overall conference then the Pac-10), I'll say beating Stanford by 21 trumps any win that Auburn had. Stanford is a seriously good football team, and honestly deserves to be playing TCU in the 3v4 bowl instead of Wisconsin. Arizona and USC (road game) were both ranked when we beat them, all by margins of 19+. Another side note, USC has more 5 star recruits than any team in college football, they are a very good team.

I wouldn't call the Pac 10 a cakewalk with 4 teams being ranked late in the season, and 2 in the top 5 in the nation.

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12/07/2010 9:17 am  #146


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"Is that the same Pac-10 that is sending a 6-6 Washington to the Holiday Bowl as the #3 school in the conference?"

Without looking up the standings, I know Arizona is 7-5.

 

12/07/2010 10:06 am  #147


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artie_fufkin wrote:

"Is that the same Pac-10 that is sending a 6-6 Washington to the Holiday Bowl as the #3 school in the conference?"

Without looking up the standings, I know Arizona is 7-5.

True, but they were 4-5 in conference play and thus considered behind Washington who was 5-4 in conference.

Here are the standings

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/standings

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12/07/2010 11:34 am  #148


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forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Is that the same Pac-10 that is sending a 6-6 Washington to the Holiday Bowl as the #3 school in the conference?"

Without looking up the standings, I know Arizona is 7-5.

True, but they were 4-5 in conference play and thus considered behind Washington who was 5-4 in conference.

Here are the standings

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/standings

I'm just sayin' ...
The SEC is 42-8 in n/c games, and the Pac 10 is 22-10. I'm not going to take the time to analyze the opponents to postulate about SOS, but even if the SEC teams were playing Bambi Junior College every week that's pretty convincing.

 

12/07/2010 12:01 pm  #149


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Let me repeat this.
1) I'll easily concede the SEC is a tougher overall conference then the Pac-10
2) I'll say beating Stanford by 21 trumps any win that Auburn had.

Now this has somehow been morphed into a PAC-10 assault, and a conference comparison. See my first statement. I agree that overall the SEC is stronger than the PAC-10, I don't know what else to say there, I can agree again!

Statement 2 you can disagree with if you want, but if Oregon doesn't beat Stanford, then Stanford is playing Auburn for the National Championship. Every team besides Auburn is a 2+ loss team. Stanford is national championship contending football team in most other years, and a win that Oregon should be very proud of, it eclipses beating a 2 loss Arkansas team, a 2 loss LSU team, a 3 loss Alabama team, or any other individual win on Auburns record.

Auburn surviving each week is impressive. I have not and never will say they didn't earn the trip to the title game (although Cam's father cheating on his behalf does raise questions in my opinion. Apparently the NCAA says it's cool to solicite but not receive cash on behalf of an athlete. Good thing MSU said no!). Anyone who honestly expects Auburn to romp Oregon hasn't watched Oregon play, and I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Auburn is the only team in the nation that I believe "can" beat Oregon, but that's not a given, and in my opinion, not even likely.

I'll be here talking smack all month in a typical Rex Ryan fashion. If Oregon gets thumped, I'll eat crow, but I'm certainly going to cheer on my Ducks loudly. God knows when I'll get another chance to do so in such a big game.

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12/07/2010 12:57 pm  #150


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"I'll be here talking smack all month in a typical Rex Ryan fashion"

When do we get to eat a goddamn snack?

 

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