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Alabama/Texas A&M has to be the game of the season to this point as far as hype. Everyone in college football will be watching that score pretty closely.
USC took an embarrassing loss. Let's just sit back a moment and let that sink in. You smiling? Yep, me too. I seriously hate USC.
Oregon hasn't played anyone of consequence, so I won't talk about them much. They have a stretch of four weeks coming in October/November that includes @ Washington (currently 19), vs UCLA (currently 16) and @ Stanford (Currently 5). If they come through that without a loss, Then I'll talk a bit more.
Ohio State could be the last BCS victim before the playoff era begins. I don't see anyone challenging them except maybe Michigan, but strength of schedule won't get them ahead of about 5 other teams should they finish perfect (or even with 1 loss in the case of some of the SEC teams).
We'll see, can't wait for it to play itself out!
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And here we are, 6 games deep. Oregon finally challenged by a ranked opponent, and still rolled to a 3 touchdown victory on the road. Without DeAnthony Thomas.
Next up: Washington St.
Game to watch (UCLA/Stanford is a pretty big game for both teams, more for UCLA who is still perfect)
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I think this is the year of the Duck, and the year a non-SEC team wins the national championship. I'm all-in on Oregon.
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Here you're going to witness my pessimism, and this is likely going to come off as a very solid double standard.
I prefer to think of it as reservation. There's no room for a loss in any division with Alabama/Clemson/Ohio State all lined up to finish with perfect records. Which is a serious testimonial to the need for a four team playoff. You imagine telling a perfect Ohio State, Oregon, Clemson or Alabama team that they did all they could, and it still wasn't enough? Total shit in my opinion.
That said, I am really optimistic about Oregons chances, but trying to keep my glee to a minimum, lest I end up eating a solid serving of crow.
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I don't think there's reason to be pessimistic this year, just because I don't see a loss on Oregon's schedule. Maybe at Stanford, but I doubt it. Oregon will probably open up as 10-point favorites against UCLA, which is a Top 10 team.
I think Alabama and Ohio State will trip up, while Clemson goes undefeated. The real question will be "does perfect Clemson get a spot in the BCS championship against 1-loss 'Bama and OSU?"
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If OSU loses, they are screwed, and might be screwed anyway. Their Strength of Schedule isn't enough to overcome a perfect PAC-12 or SEC team, or Clemson.
Clemson has Florida State, South Carolina, and a title game against Va Tech or Miami in addition to a pretty high profile Georgia game (although after Missou beat Georgia, and with the injuries they have, that may not be as big a win when the BCS computers start spinning).
Alabama has LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, and Auburn on their schedule.
Oregon has UCLA (possibly twice), Washington, Stanford.
Ohio State beating Wisconsin and Northwestern doesn't compare to any of the above three.
With Stanford losing, Oregon isn't even a lock, although I think they have the voters polls locked down which helps a ton. The computers put weight on the strength of the opponents, and Clemson/Alabama have the toughest schedules of the four. Hopefull Utah and Oregon State both get rankings by the time we play them (Oregon State should, Utah might).
Stanford needed to be a top 5 win for us. Almost hoping UCLA beats them so UCLA jumps higher in the rankings for us to play them. Beating a perfect team is a lot better looking than beating 2 one-loss teams.
Edit: Who do you see tripping Alabama? LSU maybe I guess?
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LSU or Auburn. Auburn is a solid team this year and the game is in Auburn. I don't even think they're guaranteed of winning in Oxford.
I just don't see Clemson getting knocked off at home by either FSU or South Carolina, though if Jameis Winston goes into Death Valley and wins he would be the greatest freshman of all-time.
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Hope you're right TK, it eliminates the dark cloud that could be 4 major undefeated teams and deciding which 2 get to play for glory and which 2 get screwed.
If it ended today: I'd have to say that Oregon gets graced just because of their strength in the human polls which is 2/3rds of the final tally, and Alabama because you can't tell the perfect SEC back to back champions that they can't dance.
And that's a real disservice to the seasons that OSU and Clemson have put up, it would be a damned shame.
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Okay so we're officially in the ranked section. BCS computers I feel have it more correct than the humans based on the season to this point. Here's the computers two cents.
Florida St.
Alabama
Missouri
Oregon
The humans however won't sit Missouri that high without a gun to their head, and that's a shame really. Since it's 66% of the final grade, humans are important.
So with the human element...
Alabama
Florida State
Oregon (Just .028 points behind though, mostly the computer score killing them)
Ohio State (Northwestern is clearly a huge win.... since they've since went into a tailspin... Nothing worth noting on their schedule).
Missouri (Getting some of the recognition they deserve honestly, but they should still be higher than Ohio State at least).
Missou plays SC and I think they can win that. Hopefully that's enough for them to clip some of that gap in the human polls, because Ohio State is just beating up on chumps every week at this point, and nothing of consequence until Michigan and if that's the tough game on your schedule, you're not proving shit). I'm still convinced that Missouri controls their own destiny however, because they still have South Carolina, Texas A&M, and finishing perfect gives them a shot at Alabama. If they win all three, there's no way they are left out of the National Championship, but that's going to be tough. I hope they do it.
Florida State is nearly through the difficulty on their schedule, but Miami is another game for them, plus a title appearance in the ACC, so they get 2 more good games. Even winning out, they need help from Oregon or Alabama/Missouri in my opinion/
Alabama has LSU, and really nothing else that should challenge them until the SEC title game. They own the human polls however, and are certainly in the driver seat.
Oregon has UCLA this week, and then Stanford in two weeks. Oregon State closes the season, and in there is also Utah (who beat Stanford, but isn't currently ranked), and Arizona. I'd kill to play Arizona State instead, but I don't get what I want. Finishing that means a PAC-12 title game with any number of opponents, but right now a UCLA rematch is the most likely. Oregon is in the driver seat as well. Their SoS is hurting them right now, but will get much better computer scores with wins in their next two games, and it should be enough to hold off anyone else for the #2 spot.
So there it is. Three teams control their own fate in my opinion.
Oregon and Alabama/Missouri
Florida State will get a loss from Alabama/Missouri of those two schools for certain, but needs either Oregon to lose, or needs both Alabama and Missouri to lose.
Ohio State needs everything Florida State needs, but also sits behind them by the end of the season, so to get to top two.... They will likely finish outside looking in without help.
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So Oregon's season is about to come to "the game". Washington was handled, UCLA was handled. The hopes and dreams of Duck fans everywhere have built with each snap.
And it brings us to Stanford. Stanford ended Oregon's hopes of a national championship game appearance last year with an OT victory. The year before that Oregon ended Stanfords national championship dreams in a similar fashion.
If Oregon prevails they are not sailing smooth, although it will certainly put them back in 2nd place in the standings. Utah beat Stanford, Arizona is 6-2, Oregon State is 6-3 and a rivalry game. Then there's the PAC-12 title game, which will either be against Arizona State / USC / UCLA.
However, as I said when I started the season. Oregon cannot even dream about success if they don't get through Stanford. Both teams had bye weeks leading into this game, and will be well prepared for each other. I cannot wait for Thursday.
In other college news, the game of the week Saturday will be the annual Alabama/LSU slugfest. For the first time in years, I'll go on record and say, Alabama cannot lose this game and make the national championship game. The only way to get that invitation will be going perfect. That said... LSU isn't amazing this season, but they always play Alabama tough. Still have to think Alabama wins.
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"Then there's the PAC-12 title game, which will ... be against Arizona State"
This is what's know as "being taken out of context."
I can't see anyone from the South doing anything against whichever team wins the North. USC and ASU can't stop even an above-average offense, and UCLA isn't of Oregon's or Stanford's caliber.
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True Artie, but I would say Miami probably wasn't the 7th best team in CFB either, but if FSU is going to get credit for pounding them, I'll take whatever I can get!
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If Oregon wins out, they will finish no worse than #2 in the BCS. A win Thursday would allow Oregon to jump FSU. FSU has no one of significance left on their schedule. They have to go to Gainesville to play Florida, but Florida is probably looking at a 6-6 season.
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"In other college news, the game of the week Saturday will be the annual Alabama/LSU slugfest"
I think Bama will do most if not all of the slugging . LSU's defense is very vulnerable...
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forsberg_us wrote:
If Oregon wins out, they will finish no worse than #2 in the BCS. A win Thursday would allow Oregon to jump FSU. FSU has no one of significance left on their schedule. They have to go to Gainesville to play Florida, but Florida is probably looking at a 6-6 season.
I'm not terribly concerned with the BCS. From everything I've read, Oregon controls their own fate. I feel bad for OSU/FSU/Baylor because they could all go perfect, and not get there.
I was reading about the impact of playing a team twice and how it diminishes the return substantially, and wondered how that could be. I forgot the BCS evaluates all your wins and your opponents records. So beating an opponent for a second time means an extra loss to an opponent for two of your games. I'm almost hoping to avoid UCLA in the PAC 12 title game for that reason. I guess FSU thumping Miami would make it even, but that kind of sucks...
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alz wrote:
forsberg_us wrote:
If Oregon wins out, they will finish no worse than #2 in the BCS. A win Thursday would allow Oregon to jump FSU. FSU has no one of significance left on their schedule. They have to go to Gainesville to play Florida, but Florida is probably looking at a 6-6 season.
I'm not terribly concerned with the BCS. From everything I've read, Oregon controls their own fate. I feel bad for OSU/FSU/Baylor because they could all go perfect, and not get there.
I was reading about the impact of playing a team twice and how it diminishes the return substantially, and wondered how that could be. I forgot the BCS evaluates all your wins and your opponents records. So beating an opponent for a second time means an extra loss to an opponent for two of your games. I'm almost hoping to avoid UCLA in the PAC 12 title game for that reason. I guess FSU thumping Miami would make it even, but that kind of sucks...
I wouldn't feel bad for OSU or Baylor. Both the B1G and the Big XII (-2, -1, -1, +2) are pathetically week. I'll give Baylor a little credit if it manages to win out, but right now its strength of schedule is #93, and OSU's is #81. Those teams are basically playing an FCS schedule. Not to mention, Urban Meyer is a complete fucking douche bag and doesn't deserve anything good--ever.
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And another typical season in the PAC 12 where the Oregon Stanford game kills the conference from getting a national championship game participant.
3 years straight now. Goddamnit Oregon.... 3 shitty quarters of football that involved all kinds of self-screwing moronics, followed by one miraculous quarter that was nearly enough to overcome it.
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I watched until halftime and I was surprised by how close the final score was, because Oregon couldn't get Stanford's offense off the field in the first half.
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D Thomas fumbles at like the 2. I think Stanford was called for 1 penalty while Oregon had like 12...
Mariota fumbled 2 or 3 times, missed passes a lot, seemed hesitant to run.
Oregon just kept making things worse... Stanford was on a 4th down and having to punt on the last play of the game. All of that nonsense that Oregon did aside, they could have even survived it if they started playing 95-120 seconds earlier in the game. It doesn't take Oregon long to score...
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And Stanford turns around and gives Oregon a small hope of being back in the NC title game.
Back up to 5.
Baylor visiting Oklahoma State has promise for an upset. Nothing else really does this week. So here's hoping, and maybe Oregon can be #4 next weekend.
Week 14 has some upset potentials... Alabama going to Auburn being the big one, although I'm not sure if it helps us. Point 1. If Alabama falls they may not fall past Oregon even with a loss there. Auburn is #6 and a win would almost certainly vault them over Oregon.
FSU Visiting Florida, doubtful, but maybe.
OSU visiting Michigan, doubtful but maybe.
After that it's Title games.
SEC would be Bama vs Missou or South Carolina. Challenge either way.
ACC title game FSU vs whoever (doubtful, but maybe)
Big Ten Title game (OSU vs Michigan State, this is the only real chance OSU has at losing a game)
Baylor has no title game.
So hmm. Going to be fairly interesting. A lot less so if Oregon would have just played against Stanford... Two years now that we've f---ed up title dreams in that game.. Se la vi.
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I can't believe that mess of a USC team I saw six weeks ago beat Stanford.
The Trojans are so much better off with Orgeron. Lane Kiffin really is the worst person ever.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
I can't believe that mess of a USC team I saw six weeks ago beat Stanford.
The Trojans are so much better off with Orgeron. Lane Kiffin really is the worst person ever.
Orgeron played his college football at the University I graduated from , (years later , of course); Bobby Hebert was the QB during that time...
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don.rob11 wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
I can't believe that mess of a USC team I saw six weeks ago beat Stanford.
The Trojans are so much better off with Orgeron. Lane Kiffin really is the worst person ever.Orgeron played his college football at the University I graduated from , (years later , of course); Bobby Hebert was the QB during that time...
Except for my general disdain for anyone in the employ of the USC, I didn't really have any particular animosity toward Orgeron until Brent Musberger told me what a good guy he is about 522 times during last Saturday's game. What Musberger says on the air isn't necessarily Orgeron's fault, I know, but I'm not disposed toward rational thought about the University of Spoiled Children.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
don.rob11 wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
I can't believe that mess of a USC team I saw six weeks ago beat Stanford.
The Trojans are so much better off with Orgeron. Lane Kiffin really is the worst person ever.Orgeron played his college football at the University I graduated from , (years later , of course); Bobby Hebert was the QB during that time...
Except for my general disdain for anyone in the employ of the USC, I didn't really have any particular animosity toward Orgeron until Brent Musberger told me what a good guy he is about 522 times during last Saturday's game. What Musberger says on the air isn't necessarily Orgeron's fault, I know, but I'm not disposed toward rational thought about the University of Spoiled Children.
Orgeron had his wild side and more than his share of problems before he got in his present position . I would not recommend him as the new coach at USC.....
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don.rob11 wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
don.rob11 wrote:
Orgeron played his college football at the University I graduated from , (years later , of course); Bobby Hebert was the QB during that time...
Except for my general disdain for anyone in the employ of the USC, I didn't really have any particular animosity toward Orgeron until Brent Musberger told me what a good guy he is about 522 times during last Saturday's game. What Musberger says on the air isn't necessarily Orgeron's fault, I know, but I'm not disposed toward rational thought about the University of Spoiled Children.
Orgeron had his wild side and more than his share of problems before he got in his present position . I would not recommend him as the new coach at USC.....
Haden typically likes higher-profile coaches, and a Cajun with only a couple of years of head coaching experience at Ole Miss may not appeal to the SoCal zeitgeist as much as he wants. The Trojans have a walkover this weekend, and then if they beat UCLA, it's going to be hard for him not to keep Orgeron.
In any event, the team I saw last Saturday bore little resemblance to the joke of a squad I watched (gleefully) get torched for 62 points in Tempe two months ago.