Mags wrote:

BTW, that's a great link.  For me, it's very sad to go to the second page and see a whole slew of names that were supposed to be the next Ace and wound up with less than 50 wins for the Cards.

It says Donovan Osborne won 47 games, but I can't remember a single one. I think I remember all of the 96 homers he allowed, though.

Wainwright is pretty high on that list for only being a starter for a few years.  By the time his current contract ends he could be very high.

APRTW wrote:

Wainwright is pretty high on that list for only being a starter for a few years.  By the time his current contract ends he could be very high.

If he keeps winning 19-20 games for the next five seasons, he'll be a top five guy. I'll never figure out why the Braves thought they needed J.D. Drew that badly.

If Wainwright averages 15 wins per season over his current contract (3 more years) he will have 111 wins ranking him 10 on the Cardinals all time win list.

Max wrote:

I believe that both the Yankees and Red Sox have pockets that are effectively limitless in their depth

"The Red Sox have pulled off another stunning move. Days after acquiring Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres, Boston agreed to a seven-year, $142 million deal with free-agent outfielder Carl Crawford."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101208&content_id=16288370&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

This is like the fucking Goldman-Sachs investment bend-me-over-and-rape-the-cunt-ry bankers giving themselves 8-figure bonuses as we watch China take over the world.  Wake up MLB.

Max wrote:

Max wrote:

I believe that both the Yankees and Red Sox have pockets that are effectively limitless in their depth

"The Red Sox have pulled off another stunning move. Days after acquiring Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres, Boston agreed to a seven-year, $142 million deal with free-agent outfielder Carl Crawford."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101208&content_id=16288370&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

This is like the fucking Goldman-Sachs investment bend-me-over-and-rape-the-cunt-ry bankers giving themselves 8-figure bonuses as we watch China take over the world.  Wake up MLB.

There are Red Sox fans on talk radio right now bitching about how the Crawford signing still doesn't address the team's needs at catcher and shortstop.
If I'm Moz, I'm calling Young Theo this morning, while he's still drunk over the Crawford deal. I'd start the conversation with something like: "We're willing to help you out with your surplus of outfielders by taking Ellsbury off your hands. We're even willing to deal you Kyle Lohse, even though it's going to mess up the plans for our rotation."

Max wrote:

APRTW wrote:

Max wrote:

Dunno about you, but that's one of the reasons I got a wife.

You got married for sex?

The way I see it, there are a few things my wife and I like to do together.  Suppose I do any of those things with another woman.  Sure she might get jealous and a little mad if she found out I was playing badminton with some other woman, but would she divorce me?

Depends upon how much wear and tear there is on your shuttlecock.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

Max wrote:

I believe that both the Yankees and Red Sox have pockets that are effectively limitless in their depth

"The Red Sox have pulled off another stunning move. Days after acquiring Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres, Boston agreed to a seven-year, $142 million deal with free-agent outfielder Carl Crawford."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101208&content_id=16288370&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

This is like the fucking Goldman-Sachs investment bend-me-over-and-rape-the-cunt-ry bankers giving themselves 8-figure bonuses as we watch China take over the world.  Wake up MLB.

There are Red Sox fans on talk radio right now bitching about how the Crawford signing still doesn't address the team's needs at catcher and shortstop.
If I'm Moz, I'm calling Young Theo this morning, while he's still drunk over the Crawford deal. I'd start the conversation with something like: "We're willing to help you out with your surplus of outfielders by taking Ellsbury off your hands. We're even willing to deal you Kyle Lohse, even though it's going to mess up the plans for our rotation."

I'll bet DeWitt is kicking himself he didn't try to get the Pujols extension done last season.  Some now see the floor being $25 AAV, from the Howard contract last year, and 7 years, from several contracts this year, meaning $175 M for 7 years should be the minimum that anyone should be thinking.  In fact $275M/10 sounds closer to realistic, but I have no doubt that some team would offer $300+M/10 if they thought it would work. 

One strategy for DeWitt to take might be to offer him the highest AAV ever, hitting a nice benchmark like $30M, but only guarantee 4-5 years.  At the end of that, if he has averaged .300/30/100, then he gets an automatic player option at the same salary for the next year, and for each subsequent year he hits those benchmarks for another 4-5 years.  Thus, the headline would say Pujols gets $30 million per year, in a contract that could be worth up to $300 million over 10 years.  That would guarantee Pujols the prestige he deserves as the greatest player of his generation, while affording DeWitt some measure of security that he won't be strapped with a franchise damaging contract, and Pujols some security that he gets something in return for his hometown discount, that is, because they are all player options, he can bail (or renegotiate) for more money if the market (and his performance) moves in that direction.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/round-two/article_6db2614e-03cd-11e0-8bbb-0017a4a78c22.html?mode=story

Last edited by Max (12/09/2010 7:12 pm)

forsberg_us wrote:

I realize that this is all speculation, but clearly these guys know more about the marketplace than any of us, and if this is what it would take to keep Pujols, I think the Cardinals would be crazy not to agree to this

"It makes for good conversation. A National League official said he and his colleagues, in the wake of this week's signings, tried to guesstimate Pujols' next deal. They settled on a six-year deal worth $180 million, which would give Pujols a record average annual value of $30 million, eclipsing Alex Rodriguez's $27.5 million. Rodriguez, the Yankees' third baseman, is playing on the richest contract in baseball history, a 10-year, $275 million deal he signed before 2008."

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_98e6f891-a1cd-5240-9a0e-b05039abb7f8.html

6 years isn't a ridiculous length.  There's reason to believe they could get $30M in value for at least 4 years and maybe the whole thing.

Agreed. And I dont think it would be out of the question that Pujols would settle for 28 or 29 mill a year.  It would be interesting to know what past talks with Pujols have been about.  Pujols hasnt seem like the kind of guy who would turn down a fair offer.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

The way I see it, there are a few things my wife and I like to do together.  Suppose I do any of those things with another woman.  Sure she might get jealous and a little mad if she found out I was playing badminton with some other woman, but would she divorce me?

Depends upon how much wear and tear there is on your shuttlecock.

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