What if they traded for 2010 Matt Holliday, 2012 Allen Craig and 2013 Matt Carpenter?

APIAD wrote:

Cards have alot of players with peeking value. They should be mindful of any idea.

I wholeheartedly agree that Moz should keep his ears open in case a Brock-for-Broglio type deal comes his way, but there's no urgent need to improve any aspect of the team that can realistically improved (ruling out things like a shortstop with better defensive range, seeing as how they're on the hook for Peralta for the next 3 1/2 years, et al). They're in a position of strength because they can deal from depth. 
Again, the seocnd wild card will make more teams buyers than sellers. The only teams that are really out of it at this point are Tampa, Houston, the Cubs, the Padres and the Diamondbacks. I'm sure there are some players like Samardjilidinzian or Price or Headley or Andrew Cashner that could provide upgrades. I'm just not sure the Cardinals would get a bang for their buck. 

U really think they need a reliever with freeman, seigrist, kelly, martinez, motte, maness, lyons, choate, rosenthal and nesheck?

Those guys make up roster spots 6 through 15 and there isnt room for 2 or 3 of them.

Yep. The Cardinals never believe they have enough pitching. Right now the bullpen is being held together by Rosenhausen, an overachieving Neshek and some great work by Freeman and Choate. Motte can't be trusted, Maness is too hittable, Martinez doesn't really work as a reliever and we're waiting to see what Kelly and Siegrist do. They need another guy, similar to Mujica in 2012 and Dotel in 2011, that they can count on to bridge the gap.

"How attractive do you think a package of either

Miller/garcia/lynn

And 

Jay/ girchuk/piscotty 

and 

Freeman/lyons"

I think there's a wide variety among the possible packages. Miller is attractive because of his youth, Garcia is attractive because he's left-handed, and Lynn is attractive because he seems to be able to win games, even though winning isn't an important stat to the Sabreheads.
I'm afraid Jay has little trade value, and I think people would wonder why the Cardinals would part with Grichuk just six months after they got him. The only thing I know about Piscotty is he's being converted to the outfield and his hitting numbers have impressed the FO.
Lyons and Freeman have two different roles. Lyons projects as a fifth starter, maybe a fourth starter on team like Arizona that has virtually no pitching, but he has more value at this point than Freeman.
So, to answer your question, a package of Miller, Piscotty and Lyons would fetch more than, say, Garcia, Jay and Freeman.
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

I'm more comfortable, and I think he is as well, with Rosenhausen in the 8th inning role. It remains to be seen whether Motte can reclaim the closer's role. His velocity appears to be trending upward (I noticed a 94 recently), but as we saw last night, location still appears to be an issue, which of course is  understandable. If Moz wants to make a splash, he'll go after a shutdown closer. Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of those available from shitty teams.

I'm not ready to dump Rosenthal from that role yet. It was just last October that he pitched 11 2/3 innings, struck out 18, allowed four hits and only one intentional walk. Why he has suddenly lost the ability to throw strikes has me confused because at no point in his pro career has that been an issue. Even on the biggest stage last fall he was pounding the zone.

If the Cardinals do look for a closer, I'm guessing Huston Street would be available. He's been unhittable and he's not giving up home runs this season. And really, what does a 30-42 team need with a closer that has one more year left on his contract?


 

Why is bullpen help a hot topic.  For a closer to be effective he has to have the lead in the 9th...lol

"this team is in a dogfight with .500 because they need bats."

Sure, but where do you improve? The only positions that aren't locked in are center and second base. Do you give up prospects to land Ben Zobrist? 
I still contend they need the players they have to play better. 

This week has shown why i thought trading garcia and miller isnt out of the question.  It likely doesnt get done now but this is exactly why.