APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Im sure the officers that work that area understand it just fine."

If a cop with six years of experience is firing six shots at an unarmed teenager, apparently not.

So you would get your ass kicked by a 6 4, 300lb man?
 

The officer should have shown his understanding of black culture by letting Brown kick his ass, take his gun and kill him. Would have made up for a few years of oppression by whitey.

If it turns out that Brown charged the officer after trying unsuccessfully once to get the officer's gun, he deserved to be shot until he stopped charging. Doesn't matter if it takes 6 shots or 60.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Im sure the officers that work that area understand it just fine."

If a cop with six years of experience is firing six shots at an unarmed teenager, apparently not.

So you would get your ass kicked by a 6 4, 300lb man?
 

I don't think it's necessarily an either/or situation. One of the few things that's not under dispute is the officer did not know Brown and his buddy were suspects in the convenience store theft, so his request for the two young men to "get onto the fucking sidewalk" because he merely thought they were blocking traffic might be seen as a bit provocative. If the officer approaches the situation a bit more tactfully, then maybe none of this happens.
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Im sure the officers that work that area understand it just fine."

If a cop with six years of experience is firing six shots at an unarmed teenager, apparently not.

So you would get your ass kicked by a 6 4, 300lb man?
 

I don't think it's necessarily an either/or situation. One of the few things that's not under dispute is the officer did not know Brown and his buddy were suspects in the convenience store theft, so his request for the two young men to "get onto the fucking sidewalk" because he merely thought they were blocking traffic might be seen as a bit provocative. If the officer approaches the situation a bit more tactfully, then maybe none of this happens.
 

 
That's a pretty convenient way to ascribe blame to the cop. It's similarly undisputed that Brown wouldn't have known whether the officer knew about the robbery(don't soft sell it to fit an agenda, when you use physical force to steal something, in Missouri that's a robbery, not shoplifting--and it's punishable by up to 7 years in prison).

So yes, it's safe to assume that had the officer simply ignored these two upstanding young citizens, none of this would have happened. However, once the encounter began, it's much more likely that the sequence of events was dictated by Brown's desire to avoid prison rather than the unkind words of the officer (assuming there's any truth to the statement as to what the officer said).

It's so much easier to protest when the headline is "Unarmed black college student shot by white police officer."  But the headline would be equally accurate if it read "Robbery suspect attacks police officer, is shot and killed."  Tough to get indignant about the second headline.

If the police side ends up being true and the situation was reversed, black officer on white man, id still have no problem with it and i know the media or protesters wouldnt even exist.  Thats the honest to god truth.  A justified shooting is a justified shooting.

I really hope the fed wouldnt step in like that.  The government has to stop undermining there own system.

There is always mistakes made and things that could be done different and better.  We live in the real world not the movies.  Im still waiting for the official statement from wilson before i pass complete judgement.  It is hard to remain bias when every morning i wake up to more crime, more shootings, more looting and riots.

'But the headline would be equally accurate if it read "Robbery suspect attacks police officer, is shot and killed." 

But the officer didn't know Brown was involved in a robbery. There was obviously something that set off a confrontation. Whether it was Brown's desire as you say to avoid prison - a dubious prospect as he had no record - or, a Johnson has said, the officer was behaving like a bully, is something we don't know yet. 
And let's not pretend all this happened in a vacuum. White men, some under the auspices of law enforcement, have been killing black men in this country for centuries, and historically it's very rare that the scales of justice balance.

Last edited by artie_fufkin (8/19/2014 8:55 am)

artie_fufkin wrote:

'But the headline would be equally accurate if it read "Robbery suspect attacks police officer, is shot and killed." 

But the officer didn't know Brown was involved in a robbery. There was obviously something that set off a confrontation. Whether it was Brown's desire as you say to avoid prison - a dubious prospect as he had no record - or, a Johnson has said, the officer was behaving like a bully, is something we don't know yet. 
And let's not pretend all this happened in a vacuum. White men, some under the auspices of law enforcement, have been killing black men in this country for centuries, and historically it's very rare that the scales of justice balance.

Let's assume the officer said "get the fuck on the sidewalk."  Hell, let's ramp it up a notch and assume it was "get the fuck on the sidewalk you fucking animals."  At worst, the officer's "bullying" was saying something disrespectful.  By all accounts, the officer never made it completely out of his car.  Unless you believe that cockamamie story that the officer grabbed Brown by the throat while sitting in his car (try grabbing a 6'4-6'5 man by the throat from a seated position and let me know how that works), do unkind words justify assaulting the officer and attempting to take his gun?

And I'm sorry, but the "history of white cops killing black men" is bullshit.  So we hold a cop who appears to be under 30 responsible for a bunch of things that happened before he was born?  At some point people need to quit using the past as a crutch for everything bad that has happened to them.  How many white cops have been killed by black men?  I guess racial profiling is a one way street.

The irony here is that people now have the impression that Ferguson is some suburban version of a ghetto.  It isn't.  Ferguson is actually a pretty decent neighborhood.  I drive through Ferguson every night on my way home from work, and I spent a substantial amount of time in and around the area when I dated a girl whose family lived in Ferguson.  It's the headquarters to Emerson Electric which is a Fortune 500 company.  It has averaged less than 2 homicides per year for the 21st Century.  It may not be a destination suburb, but it's a far cry from East St. Louis.

Post-Dispatch Reporter: "Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of the events in shooting."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/ 

Maybe that's completely bullshit.  Or maybe there are a bunch of people who live in the neighborhood where this happened who are too scared of their neighbors to go on CNN, give an interview and state that Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer in the right.  But if these people actually exist, and if the police have their names, I have to assume they've been interviewed by the County Prosecutor's office.  

Here's a question I'd love to hear asked of one of the protestors: you claim to be protesting for justice, what if the just result is that the officer not be charged?

Last edited by forsberg_us (8/19/2014 10:41 am)

"That involves a complaint to the police department and a call to the news."

Both of which I'm sure would be taken quite seriously. The "White cop rude to black teenager" headline would be as newsworthy as "Dog bites man" and "Sun to rise in East tomorrow."
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Post-Dispatch Reporter: "Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of the events in shooting."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/ 

Maybe that's completely bullshit.  Or maybe there are a bunch of people who live in the neighborhood where this happened who are too scared of their neighbors to go on CNN, give an interview and state that Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer in the right.  But if these people actually exist, and if the police have their names, I have to assume they've been interviewed by the County Prosecutor's office.  

Here's a question I'd love to hear asked of one of the protestors: you claim to be protesting for justice, what if the just result is that the officer not be charged?

So an arch-conservative website part-owned by notorious whack job and fiction-spewer Glenn Beck is reporting that the P-D is reporting cops relying on anonymity are claiming there are a dozen similarly-unnamed witnesses backing up their colleague? Seems like valuable information from a reliable source.

Funny, I never knew the Post Dispatch was a conservative newspaper.  I'm sure the Post-Dispatch reporter who made the original tweet is a plant for the conservative agenda.

 

artie_fufkin wrote:

"And I'm sorry, but the "history of white cops killing black men" is bullshit.  So we hold a cop who appears to be under 30 responsible for a bunch of things that happened before he was born?  At some point people need to quit using the past as a crutch for everything bad that has happened to them.  How many white cops have been killed by black men?  I guess racial profiling is a one way street."

This almost reads like Edward Norton's Rodney King speech from American History X.
 

Doesn't make it any less true.    

BTW, you didn't answer my question.  Does Michael Brown get a pass on attacking the officer because the officer may have been rude?

Last edited by forsberg_us (8/19/2014 11:22 am)

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Post-Dispatch Reporter: "Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of the events in shooting."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/ 

Maybe that's completely bullshit.  Or maybe there are a bunch of people who live in the neighborhood where this happened who are too scared of their neighbors to go on CNN, give an interview and state that Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer in the right.  But if these people actually exist, and if the police have their names, I have to assume they've been interviewed by the County Prosecutor's office.  

Here's a question I'd love to hear asked of one of the protestors: you claim to be protesting for justice, what if the just result is that the officer not be charged?

So an arch-conservative website part-owned by notorious whack job and fiction-spewer Glenn Beck is reporting that the P-D is reporting cops relying on anonymity are claiming there are a dozen similarly-unnamed witnesses backing up their colleague? Seems like valuable information from a reliable source.

Why are you so dead set that brown was innocent and police officer was wrong on every account? 
 

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Post-Dispatch Reporter: "Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of the events in shooting."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/ 

Maybe that's completely bullshit.  Or maybe there are a bunch of people who live in the neighborhood where this happened who are too scared of their neighbors to go on CNN, give an interview and state that Michael Brown was in the wrong and the officer in the right.  But if these people actually exist, and if the police have their names, I have to assume they've been interviewed by the County Prosecutor's office.  

Here's a question I'd love to hear asked of one of the protestors: you claim to be protesting for justice, what if the just result is that the officer not be charged?

So an arch-conservative website part-owned by notorious whack job and fiction-spewer Glenn Beck is reporting that the P-D is reporting cops relying on anonymity are claiming there are a dozen similarly-unnamed witnesses backing up their colleague? Seems like valuable information from a reliable source.

Why are you so dead set that brown was innocent and police officer was wrong on every account?
 

I'm not, AP. I don't think I've written that Brown is innocent, or the officer is guilty of anything. What I do think is the situation could have been handled better initially by the officer.