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APIAD wrote:
Hit stuff is still pretty overpowerijg and unhittable. He cant finish batters. He is throwing smoke. I dont know of him really getting hit hard. Also if he isnt your closer imassume maness is. Id rather rosenthal close and maness stay in his role. Maness has protected more games in his role then rosenthal has lost.
He got hit pretty hard last night. The singles were pretty solidly struck, even the bouncer up the middle, and the 2nd out was smoked. It just happened to be hit at Peralta.
If not Rosenthal, I assume Neshek, who worked another 1-2-3 inning with 2 strikeouts would be the closer. Either Martinez or Maness could take over the 8th inning.
Rosenthal has made 4 post-season appearances. He's allowed at least 2 base runners in all 4 appearances.
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Well I'm breaking my own rule. I cannot be upset about failure at this point.
I'd put Rosenthal in the bullpen, I don't like Neshak as a closer. His velocity scares me. I'd rather roll with Maness myself.
The way I see this is the Cardinals have very little wiggle room. They'll face Madison again so they have probably two losses already. However, games against Hudson, Peavy, and Vogelsong are winnable games. Not that we're heavy favorites, but they are games we can win. We need them. This means we need to win 3 games among games 3/4/6/7. I might even go so far as to give Wainright an extra day of rest and move him off Bumgarner's start in game 5, I'm not sure.
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alz wrote:
I'd put Rosenthal in the bullpen, I don't like Neshak as a closer. His velocity scares me. I'd rather roll with Maness myself.
When he throws he fastball, doesn't Neshek throw harder than Maness?
I'd prefer a guy who can miss bats, preferrably with some semblence of control.
Regular and post season innings pitched, Ks, BBs
Neshek- 67.1, 68, 8; 4.2, 5, 0
Maness- 80.1, 55, 11; 3.1, 1, 0
Martinez- 57, 50, 20; 3, 2, 2
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forsberg_us wrote:
alz wrote:
I'd put Rosenthal in the bullpen, I don't like Neshak as a closer. His velocity scares me. I'd rather roll with Maness myself.
When he throws he fastball, doesn't Neshek throw harder than Maness?
I'd prefer a guy who can miss bats, preferrably with some semblence of control.
Regular and post season innings pitched, Ks, BBs
Neshek- 67.1, 68, 8; 4.2, 5, 0
Maness- 80.1, 55, 11; 3.1, 1, 0
Martinez- 57, 50, 20; 3, 2, 2
I know Fors, I don't have a competent argument for why not either... He is getting people out with a speed range of 68-90 mph I believe. I know I saw 68, and I know with that funky delivery 90 is on home plate REALLY fast.
It just ... I don't know, anyone is better than Rosenthal, maybe you're right.
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Im sticking with rosenthal. If i had to choose a different guy it woukd be martinez. I like the gas. Rosenthal needs to mix in some offspeed to to get them off his fastball. He is back to throwing 100...i like that.
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"I know Fors, I don't have a competent argument for why not either... He is getting people out with a speed range of 68-90 mph I believe. I know I saw 68, and I know with that funky delivery 90 is on home plate REALLY fast. "
I may be wrong, but I thought Neshek topped out at 92-93.
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Neshek scares me ever since he had those shitty outings. It is the playoffs. Every game and every situation may call for a totally different solution.
Im wonder what the cards do with molina for the series. If they replace him on the roster he is off the world series roster. If he is done for the year the decison is easy. If there is a chance he can comeback it is very hard. Do you handcuff yourself now for a series that may not even happen?
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APIAD wrote:
Neshek scares me ever since he had those shitty outings. It is the playoffs. Every game and every situation may call for a totally different solution.
Im wonder what the cards do with molina for the series. If they replace him on the roster he is off the world series roster. If he is done for the year the decison is easy. If there is a chance he can comeback it is very hard. Do you handcuff yourself now for a series that may not even happen?
Strauss talked about it this morning, and I tend to agree with what he said.
Whoever you would add is the 26th best player on your roster. As remote as it is that Molina will play again in 2014, would you throw away that possibility for the 26th best player on your roster?
Strauss speculated that the Cardinals will spend the next couple of days letting the injury heal and testing different pain killing mechanisms (shots, etc...). Strauss' point was nothing about the injury is career threatening. Worst case, he hurts it more and it requires more rest in the off-season.
My guess, he stays on the LCS roster. If they are fortunatel enough to move on, then they make a decision.
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forsberg_us wrote:
"I know Fors, I don't have a competent argument for why not either... He is getting people out with a speed range of 68-90 mph I believe. I know I saw 68, and I know with that funky delivery 90 is on home plate REALLY fast. "
I may be wrong, but I thought Neshek topped out at 92-93.
I didn't check it every pitch but saw at least one register 92 on Sunday night. He really had those guys tied in knots.