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12/11/2014 4:24 pm  #101


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True but that seems like a pretty good bench.  If grichuk and bourjos have semi decent years if may actually be as good as it seems 12/11/14.

 

12/11/2014 5:37 pm  #102


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forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:


Reynolds played 42 games last season at 3B, starting 29 of them.  His advanced fielding metrics graded him pretty well at third.

I haven't seen terms yet, but pending a physical, Reynolds is a Cardinal.

Then it's not a bad move. He can give Adams and Carpenter enough days off to make it worthwhile. As far the terms are concerned, I hope it's a 1-year contract, in case he Wiggintons on the Cardinals. 
 

Post Dispatch is reporting 1 year, $2M plus playing time incentives.

I'm good with that.
 

 

12/11/2014 5:40 pm  #103


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I suspect the Reds will go "all in" to keep Cueto"

Yeah, I read they're trying to clear salary space to pay Cueto. Which is great news for the Cardinals. Let the Reds become the '72 Phillies.

 

12/11/2014 5:42 pm  #104


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don.rob11 wrote:

Hope Reynolds is more tha low hanging fruit and not fruit that Mo picked up off the ground......

LOL. If he hits 10-15 homers, then it's a good deal. If he hits 15-20, then it means he's probably playing too much, out of necessity.
 

 

12/11/2014 6:16 pm  #105


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I got excited about this deal and forgot how bad reynolds is. low average and strikeouts. It is so promising to have a guy who can hit the ball over the fence i may have got ahead of myself.

 

12/11/2014 10:13 pm  #106


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Jon Heyman says the Cardinals are in on Max Scherzer. I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.

 

12/11/2014 10:24 pm  #107


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APIAD wrote:

I got excited about this deal and forgot how bad reynolds is. low average and strikeouts. It is so promising to have a guy who can hit the ball over the fence i may have got ahead of myself.

Still, for the 25th roster spot, it's not a bad move. I tried to do some research and the last time the Cardinals had a right-handed hitter who could come off the bench and hit a ball 450 feet was in 2003, when Eddie Perez was on the roster. Unless you count Preston Wilson, who was here for about a month in 2006.
 

 

12/11/2014 11:22 pm  #108


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APIAD wrote:

I got excited about this deal and forgot how bad reynolds is. low average and strikeouts. It is so promising to have a guy who can hit the ball over the fence i may have got ahead of myself.

It's an upgrade from Ty Wigginton who hit for a low average, struck out too much and couldn't hit the ball over the fence.

 

12/12/2014 11:14 am  #109


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Jon Heyman says the Cardinals are in on Max Scherzer. I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.

Not really sure the cards want to win the race.  A contract over 200 million is rumored.  Thats alot.  The cardinals being rumored in these big name pitchers makes me think they dont think wainwright and wacha can be a formidable one two punch.

 

12/12/2014 1:01 pm  #110


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APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Jon Heyman says the Cardinals are in on Max Scherzer. I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.

Not really sure the cards want to win the race. A contract over 200 million is rumored. Thats alot. The cardinals being rumored in these big name pitchers makes me think they dont think wainwright and wacha can be a formidable one two punch.

I don't think there's any doubt the CAN be, but how bankable is that possibility? Wainwright's had a couple of surgeries including a TJ. Wacha's health is uncertain, and IMO he hasn't had enough healthy time to establish his rookie year wasn't just a flash in the pan. I'd feel a lot better counting on him as #3 or #4 than #2. But as far as Scherzer goes, that kind of a $$$ commitment to a pitcher is one hell of a bet on at least 4 or 5 years of consistent ace performance and no more than one "suck" or injury year.

 

12/12/2014 1:46 pm  #111


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It may be a lot of Boras smoke after the Tigers pronounced themselves out of the bidding. Supposedly, Holliday - who I think is still a Boras client - called Scherzer to try to convince him to come to the Cardinals. He's a local kid who went to Mizzou, so the Cardinals have to be interested, right? And Boras has used Heyman to do his bidding in the past.
The Cardinals never sign the highest-price free agent. They just don't.

 

12/12/2014 1:50 pm  #112


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APIAD wrote:

alz wrote:

No chance I'm getting interested in baseball with the world series just ending a few weeks ago. Wake me up when catchers and pitchers report. I have college football and a hockey season to pay attention to instead.

Thats the best thing about baseball season. It is all year long.
 

Very true sir, I cannot argue that. I'll come back to it when the other things wind down. Nothing is going to get me out of College Football until Mid-January though.

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12/12/2014 1:51 pm  #113


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Most times the highest priced free agent needs to be stayed away from.  I still think that is the case now.  With pitchers a team just has to figure on eating a year or two of the contract.  20-25 million dollars is alot of chewing,

 

12/12/2014 4:01 pm  #114


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artie_fufkin wrote:

It may be a lot of Boras smoke after the Tigers pronounced themselves out of the bidding. Supposedly, Holliday - who I think is still a Boras client - called Scherzer to try to convince him to come to the Cardinals. He's a local kid who went to Mizzou, so the Cardinals have to be interested, right? And Boras has used Heyman to do his bidding in the past.
The Cardinals never sign the highest-price free agent. They just don't.

To piggyback on Artie's thought that this is just a Boras smokescreen, assume for the sake of discussion they were to sign Scherzer.  They going to tell Martinez again that he's headed to the bullpen?  And what about Marco Gonzalez?

As they sit right now, the Cardinals have 4 more years of Wainwright, 3 more years of Lynn and 5 more years of Wacha.  They're also rumored to be restructuring Lackey's deal to extend it through 2016.  If you sign Scherzer, the two highest prospects in the organization are blocked.  

I agree with everything that's been said about not signing a pitcher to the kind of deal Scherzer is going to get, but even if I wasn't worried about the contract, this rumor just doesn't make any sense.

 

12/15/2014 10:51 am  #115


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I'm sure it's a Boras smokescreen.

2015 hasn't even started, but I'm already wondering which direction the Cardinals are heading. They've quietly become an old-ish team (Holliday - 35, Peralta - 33, Molina - 32/33, Wainwright - 33, Lackey - 37, Jay - 30), they have one under-25 position player that's under control (Wong), they will probably be looking to fill right field again, their most promising position player died two months ago, one of their best pitching prospects has a rare shoulder ailment and the farm has thinned out. Scherzer probably gives this team its best chance to keep winning 90 games past 2015. I just don't think the Cardinals can commit to what he'll ask for.

 

12/15/2014 4:23 pm  #116


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tkihshbt wrote:

I'm sure it's a Boras smokescreen.

2015 hasn't even started, but I'm already wondering which direction the Cardinals are heading. They've quietly become an old-ish team (Holliday - 35, Peralta - 33, Molina - 32/33, Wainwright - 33, Lackey - 37, Jay - 30), they have one under-25 position player that's under control (Wong), they will probably be looking to fill right field again, their most promising position player died two months ago, one of their best pitching prospects has a rare shoulder ailment and the farm has thinned out. Scherzer probably gives this team its best chance to keep winning 90 games past 2015. I just don't think the Cardinals can commit to what he'll ask for.

Could be, thinking about it, you have to think there's some major overhauling to be done for this team to stay competitive in 5 more seasons. What a hell of a run it's been though huh?

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12/15/2014 5:02 pm  #117


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The Cardinals have shown a pretty good ability to adapt to the changing times.  The thing is they will need to address the offense through the draft.  I think we're seeing a developing trend in which more and more teams will lock up their young quality players for a year or two after free agency-eligibility, meaning more and more players won't hit free agency until they're a little older, making their contract a little riskier.  It's a bit more like the NHL, where most free agents are a bit past their prime.  The Cardinals will need to do a good job in the draft, and pull off an occasional wise trade.  In particular, they're going to need to figure out how to address their offense.  There doesn't appear to be much help in the minor league system.  Of course as those older players come off the books, the team will have more money available to address issues that arise.

 

12/15/2014 7:33 pm  #118


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Motte to the Cubs. 1 year, $4.5M

 

12/16/2014 8:44 am  #119


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forsberg_us wrote:

Motte to the Cubs. 1 year, $4.5M

 

I thought the cards should have took a run at him.  He has an upside that could make a huge difference to them.  However, i didnt think the price tag would be that high.  I was thinking more alomg the lines of 1 million.  This is to steep.  Alot lf fastballs are going to land in the street.  Wrong ballpark for him.

 

12/16/2014 9:09 am  #120


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forsberg_us wrote:

The Cardinals have shown a pretty good ability to adapt to the changing times.  The thing is they will need to address the offense through the draft.  I think we're seeing a developing trend in which more and more teams will lock up their young quality players for a year or two after free agency-eligibility, meaning more and more players won't hit free agency until they're a little older, making their contract a little riskier.  It's a bit more like the NHL, where most free agents are a bit past their prime.  The Cardinals will need to do a good job in the draft, and pull off an occasional wise trade.  In particular, they're going to need to figure out how to address their offense.  There doesn't appear to be much help in the minor league system.  Of course as those older players come off the books, the team will have more money available to address issues that arise.

 

Seems teams can draft good pitchers and turn them into mlb ready pitchers.  Drafting a bat is a total crap shoot.

 

12/16/2014 9:50 am  #121


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forsberg_us wrote:

The Cardinals have shown a pretty good ability to adapt to the changing times.  The thing is they will need to address the offense through the draft.  I think we're seeing a developing trend in which more and more teams will lock up their young quality players for a year or two after free agency-eligibility, meaning more and more players won't hit free agency until they're a little older, making their contract a little riskier.  It's a bit more like the NHL, where most free agents are a bit past their prime.  The Cardinals will need to do a good job in the draft, and pull off an occasional wise trade.  In particular, they're going to need to figure out how to address their offense.  There doesn't appear to be much help in the minor league system.  Of course as those older players come off the books, the team will have more money available to address issues that arise.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with their draft post-Luhnow. I think Luhnow's last draft was 2011. In the drafts since then, Wacha and Marco Gonzalez have already made it to the majors, and Piscotty is probably no more than a year away. Ramsey got them Masterson, for what that's worth.
 

 

12/16/2014 9:54 am  #122


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APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Motte to the Cubs. 1 year, $4.5M

 

I thought the cards should have took a run at him. He has an upside that could make a huge difference to them. However, i didnt think the price tag would be that high. I was thinking more alomg the lines of 1 million. This is to steep. Alot lf fastballs are going to land in the street. Wrong ballpark for him.

Yeah, I can't seem him flourishing at Wrigley with the pus he featured last season. But, supposedly, the year after the year of a TJ is the bounce-back year, so we'll see what kind of velocity Motte comes up with this season. He was trending toward the mid-90s at the end of last year, but if he's not consistently around 98-99, then he's going to get hammered.
 

 

12/16/2014 9:59 am  #123


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artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Motte to the Cubs. 1 year, $4.5M

 

I thought the cards should have took a run at him. He has an upside that could make a huge difference to them. However, i didnt think the price tag would be that high. I was thinking more alomg the lines of 1 million. This is to steep. Alot lf fastballs are going to land in the street. Wrong ballpark for him.

Yeah, I can't seem him flourishing at Wrigley with the pus he featured last season. But, supposedly, the year after the year of a TJ is the bounce-back year, so we'll see what kind of velocity Motte comes up with this season. He was trending toward the mid-90s at the end of last year, but if he's not consistently around 98-99, then he's going to get hammered.
 

Seems like even in his prime when aanyone hit the ball in the air i went along way.  Thats going to happen when you throw 100mph.  With the wind and short porch....chicago isnt going to be the place motte. 
 

 

12/16/2014 10:02 am  #124


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artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

The Cardinals have shown a pretty good ability to adapt to the changing times.  The thing is they will need to address the offense through the draft.  I think we're seeing a developing trend in which more and more teams will lock up their young quality players for a year or two after free agency-eligibility, meaning more and more players won't hit free agency until they're a little older, making their contract a little riskier.  It's a bit more like the NHL, where most free agents are a bit past their prime.  The Cardinals will need to do a good job in the draft, and pull off an occasional wise trade.  In particular, they're going to need to figure out how to address their offense.  There doesn't appear to be much help in the minor league system.  Of course as those older players come off the books, the team will have more money available to address issues that arise.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with their draft post-Luhnow. I think Luhnow's last draft was 2011. In the drafts since then, Wacha and Marco Gonzalez have already made it to the majors, and Piscotty is probably no more than a year away. Ramsey got them Masterson, for what that's worth.
 

 

Imo, develope power in the majors you are going to have to draft power hitters instead of balanced hitters.  I think you draft a power hitter and hope to make him more balanced rather then draft a balanced hitter and hope he developes into a slugger.  I wouldnt want a system full of high strikeout 40 hr guys but you have to have a few.

 

12/16/2014 10:06 am  #125


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APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Motte to the Cubs. 1 year, $4.5M

 

I thought the cards should have took a run at him. He has an upside that could make a huge difference to them. However, i didnt think the price tag would be that high. I was thinking more alomg the lines of 1 million. This is to steep. Alot lf fastballs are going to land in the street. Wrong ballpark for him.

I think when you start to see contracts like Justin Masterson, $9M, Brett Anderson $10M and Pat Neshek $6.5M, you need to accept that the price of baseball has gone up.

 

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