forsberg_us wrote:

Go fuck yourselves Chicago

It's a darn shame. The Cubs were doing so well.
 

Wait, the Cardinals won? I shut it off after the top of the eighth.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Thank you, Dan Johnson, whoever you are.

I cant believe they did thias just for johnson who you know is going to be short lived.

"Johnson also had to be added to the 40-man roster before the promotion, and to open room for him there the Cardinals designated Class AA shortstop Aledmys Diaz for assignment. The move could mean the end of Diaz’s time with the Cardinals less than 16 months after he signed an $8 million deal as the team’s first venture into the free-agent market for Cubans. Diaz has hit .235 with a .292 on-base percentage in 67 games this season for Class AA Springfield. The 24-year-old shortstop is making $1.5 million this season and has $4 million remaining on his contract."

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Thank you, Dan Johnson, whoever you are.

I cant believe they did thias just for johnson who you know is going to be short lived.

"Johnson also had to be added to the 40-man roster before the promotion, and to open room for him there the Cardinals designated Class AA shortstop Aledmys Diaz for assignment. The move could mean the end of Diaz’s time with the Cardinals less than 16 months after he signed an $8 million deal as the team’s first venture into the free-agent market for Cubans. Diaz has hit .235 with a .292 on-base percentage in 67 games this season for Class AA Springfield. The 24-year-old shortstop is making $1.5 million this season and has $4 million remaining on his contract."

I wonder if they figure Diaz's contract status will make it less likely someone picks him up.  Or, maybe the contract means they're hoping someone will pick him up.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

No idea what's going on with Carpenter. I hope he hasn't come down with Allen Craigitis.

I never read the forum on stltoday but a thread similar to this caught my eye yesterday. It claimed strauss wrote that there was more to carps fatigue issue.
 

Well, I was half-serious, and I don't read the P-D's fan forums, but I wouldn't start worrying too much about what Strauss writes. This is his modus operandi - throw out some cryptic allegation that appears to be based on information from a highly-placed source. When the team issues a denial, he claims it's because that organization doesn't like him because he's a serious journalist and not acting as a cheerleader, like the members of the Cardinals' media cartel. If the report goes unfounded, he eventually stops referencing it, but if there's even a shred of truth at all, Strauss beats his chest, criticizes the organization for a lack of full disclosure and chastises the fans for not believing him in the first place.
And of all the P-D's writers, I like Strauss the most. I read his chats and I've occasionally submitted questions. It's just that I've seen his I-know-something-you-don't-know act dozens of times from media members who consistenly feel the need to let their readership know they're smarter than the people for whom they're supposed to be writing.
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

No idea what's going on with Carpenter. I hope he hasn't come down with Allen Craigitis.

I never read the forum on stltoday but a thread similar to this caught my eye yesterday. It claimed strauss wrote that there was more to carps fatigue issue.
 

Well, I was half-serious, and I don't read the P-D's fan forums, but I wouldn't start worrying too much about what Strauss writes. This is his modus operandi - throw out some cryptic allegation that appears to be based on information from a highly-placed source. When the team issues a denial, he claims it's because that organization doesn't like him because he's a serious journalist and not acting as a cheerleader, like the members of the Cardinals' media cartel. If the report goes unfounded, he eventually stops referencing it, but if there's even a shred of truth at all, Strauss beats his chest, criticizes the organization for a lack of full disclosure and chastises the fans for not believing him in the first place.
And of all the P-D's writers, I like Strauss the most. I read his chats and I've occasionally submitted questions. It's just that I've seen his I-know-something-you-don't-know act dozens of times from media members who consistenly feel the need to let their readership know they're smarter than the people for whom they're supposed to be writing.
 

 

I domt normally read them either but the title caught my eye.  I didnt read through the thread but I was interested to see the source was alittle higher up then a guy at the air port.  Here was was quoted as co ing from strauss.

"Q: In the 32 games he's played since the fatigue incident Carpenter is hitting .232, with .355 obp, .322 slug. Doesn't this show his only value right now would be back in the leadoff spot? He's not getting hits, nor driving the ball, but is at least drawing some walks.

A. I don't necessarily share your conclusion but I do think your numbers since his benching due to fatigue are relevant. I was led to be believe a specific cause for Carpenter's condition that was never enunciated by the club; hence, I'm reluctant to spill the beans here. But his subsequent performance both at the plate and in the field suggests something is going on. One of the team's most consistent performers simply does not resemble himself. And, yes, there is probably something awry with his swing as well. A little more loft than normal."

The not spilling the beans statement fits your description of him perfectly.

 "I was led to be believe a specific cause for Carpenter's condition that was never enunciated by the club; hence, I'm reluctant to spill the beans here"

Yeah, case-and-point.  This is TMZ/Perez Hilton stuff. He leaves open every possiblity short of pregnancy. Unless it's a matter of national security, the team and the player are probably better off with full disclosure, I've always thought. When Lackey showed up in Boston in 2011, he had a horrible time getting people out. There was speculation he was hurt or he was sitting on his fat wallet. After awhille, People magazine of all things reported he was going through a difficult divorce. Lackey wigged at first, because he's Lackey, of course, but after that he pitched better, and the media and the fans were a lot more sympathetic to him. At least until the chicken-and-beer in the clubhouse thing the following season.

forsberg_us wrote:

I questioned at the time of Carpenter's "fatigue" whether this might be something viral or maybe something like vertigo or something more lingering.  I don't have any information, but the idea that he simply worked himself too hard seemed ridiculous.

I agree.  Thats why the thread topic caught my eye. 

He came back and hit well at first but the idea a professional athlete wore himself to a frizzle in a month of playing is puzzling.

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

 "I was led to be believe a specific cause for Carpenter's condition that was never enunciated by the club; hence, I'm reluctant to spill the beans here"

Yeah, case-and-point.  This is TMZ/Perez Hilton stuff. He leaves open every possiblity short of pregnancy. Unless it's a matter of national security, the team and the player are probably better off with full disclosure, I've always thought. When Lackey showed up in Boston in 2011, he had a horrible time getting people out. There was speculation he was hurt or he was sitting on his fat wallet. After awhille, People magazine of all things reported he was going through a difficult divorce. Lackey wigged at first, because he's Lackey, of course, but after that he pitched better, and the media and the fans were a lot more sympathetic to him. At least until the chicken-and-beer in the clubhouse thing the following season.

In fairness, if the condition is medical, unless the player consents it would be a HIPAA violation to disclose the information.

 
True, but if the player voluntarily discloses, then the public might have a better understanding and maybe a little more sympathy.

Sorry. The Comcast guys showed up and I had to attend to them.
The Chicken & Beer thing ultimately cost Terry Francona his job, and was the primary reason they traded Beckett to the Dodgers. He and Lackey were apparently being deleterious influences to Buchholz and Lester, especially Buchholz.

 "a gaggle (or is it covey)"

I think it would depend on how many strumpets (or it is trollops) are in the collective.
This is probably a tasteless comparison, but we're had so many heroin deaths in our paper's circulation area lately that anytime someone under 30 dies, people automatically assume its from an overdose. A couple of weeks ago, we were sent an obituary on a 20-something woman who grew up here and moved to New Hampshire, where she died in a motorcycle crash. There was no reference in the obit to the cause of death other than "accidentally." I asked the woman from the funeral home if they wanted to substitute "in a motorcycle accident." The funeral home had already asked the family the same thing and they declined. Sure enough, we got phone calls, including one from an irate friend of the deceased who yelled at us for  suggesting her friend died of a drug overdose.

tkihshbt wrote:

Wasn't the chicken and beer incident in 2011 and used as one of the reasons the Sox collapsed?

Could have been. It was Francona's last season in Boston, whichever that one was.