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Playoff Roster tidbits
I had a long conversation with Chad last night. He said nothing is finalized, but here's what is being discussed as far as the composition of the playoff roster.
Rotation- Lackey starts Game 1. The rest is probably Garcia, Wacha, Lynn
Bullpen- Rosenthal, Siegrist, Maness, Broxton, Cichek, Wainwright and Lyons. Chad thinks Choate is left off the roster.
If you're counting, that's only 11 pitchers. At this point, they intend to go with 14 position players.
Catchers: Cruz and Molina. Molina isn't healthy enough to start because he's having problems gripping a bat. He can catch, so he might be used late as a defensive replacement.
Infield: Moss, Reynolds, Wong, Peralta, Carpenter and ????? Chad thinks they're favoring Garcia over Kozma, but it isn't finalized yet.
Outfield: Piscotty, Holliday, Heyward, Jay and ?????
That's 12 players and leaves 2 spots open. According to Chad, the last 2 spots come down to Pham, Grichuk and Adams. According to Chad, Matheny and the players prefer Adams over Moss, but Mozeliak is insisting Moss make the roster. Grichuk's issue is whether he's fully healthy and can contribute in the field. Pham's issue is whether the league has started to find holes in his swing.
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Dear god, I realize baseball is a fraternity, but what in the world has Matt Adams done to deserve a spot on the playoff roster? Same goes for Jon Jay. Great guy. Great teammate. But he's hitting .159 since returning.
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Id take pham over jay. 2015 version of jon jay sucks. Pham is more athletic for a defensive replacement.
Adams, reynolds and moss-reynolds has been absolutely useless in the last month. If really doesnt matter if your right handed or left handed if you suck. Personally id take adams and moss.
Garcia is a no brainer. Kozma had one skill this year, being out of option.
I see no reason why not to take grichuk. He can play the corners and even at half strength his arm is better then the noodle jay has. Plus he is pop of the bench. Thats basicly all reynolds will be used for.
Id put piscotty at first, grichuk in right, heyward in cf and holliday in left.
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It maybe unorthodox but why take garcia? I dont hate the idea but lets face it, peralta isnt coming out unless he is injured in which case you can cobble something together untill the next game.
Not that it is a big deal. Garcia is a better hitter then adams, moss and reynolds.
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You need to have a backup shortstop in case Peralta gets hurt. You can't patch there.
I disagree with the notion Moss and Reynolds have been useless. Moss was just about the only guy who hit in Atlanta. Reynolds had a huge home run late in the Pittsburgh game, and that's going to be his role in the playoffs.
As for the last outfield spot, there's a difference between a noodle arm and no arm, which is what Grichuk had when the Cubs ran wild on him during that series late in the year. If Grichuk can't throw, he can't be on the roster.
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Moss is batting .250 with zero hr and zero rbi Iin the last 28 days and 44ab. He has hit some in the same couple weeks.
Reynolds is batting .158 with 1 hr and 4 rbis in the last 28 days and 38 ab.
Adams is batting ,226 with one hr and 4 rbis in the last 28 days and 31 ab.
It is splitting hairs to debate who is least disappointing. And id take grichuk in a pinch hitting role over any of the 3.
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Reynolds can run into one, and while he did have a rough September, he had the huge home run off Melancon and a pretty good August.
Moss hit .275/.342/.435 in September. He has more versatility and can at least get on base via walk.
Adams is just useless.
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Again, if Grichuk can't throw, he's basically a one AB per game guy. And that's it. It's tough to burn a roster spot on a guy who is that limited, even in the LDS when you presumably carry an extra position player.
And I'm a little worried about using Molina as a "defensive replacement." He either a starter, or he's not on the roster. What happens if you replace Cruz with Molina and Molina's thumb falls off? Is Matheny going to go out there and catch?
And lastly, I'm not sure if the players need to be consulted on who makes the roster. I'm glad they're loyal to Adams, but if the players had a say in it, John Lackey would still be in Boston.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
Again, if Grichuk can't throw, he's basically a one AB per game guy. And that's it. It's tough to burn a roster spot on a guy who is that limited, even in the LDS when you presumably carry an extra position player.
And I'm a little worried about using Molina as a "defensive replacement." He either a starter, or he's not on the roster. What happens if you replace Cruz with Molina and Molina's thumb falls off? Is Matheny going to go out there and catch?
And lastly, I'm not sure if the players need to be consulted on who makes the roster. I'm glad they're loyal to Adams, but if the players had a say in it, John Lackey would still be in Boston.
Good points, especially about Yadi. One of the aspects of MM's field management that makes me uncomfortable is that it often seems (from my admittedly poor perspective) like he's not thinking past the next inning. Bringing in a catcher as a "defensive replacement" means you're trying either to protect a lead or to keep it close. In either scenario, there's a good chance that position will have to bat at some point, maybe with the game on the line. Do you dress Yadi in "the puffy uniform" and hope he can get clipped?
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Again, if Grichuk can't throw, he's basically a one AB per game guy. And that's it. It's tough to burn a roster spot on a guy who is that limited, even in the LDS when you presumably carry an extra position player.
And I'm a little worried about using Molina as a "defensive replacement." He either a starter, or he's not on the roster. What happens if you replace Cruz with Molina and Molina's thumb falls off? Is Matheny going to go out there and catch?
And lastly, I'm not sure if the players need to be consulted on who makes the roster. I'm glad they're loyal to Adams, but if the players had a say in it, John Lackey would still be in Boston.
I fine with grichuk being a one at bat player. I think he is to good of a hitter to not have be a threat off the bench.
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PD is reporting molina is going to likely make a go of it. I think a 50% molina is better then cruz. And grichuk is playing long toss at 200ft. Thats good to go in my book for what he offers at the plate over jay, who would likely get the start instead of him.
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From Rick Hummel's story, it sure seems like Jon Jay isn't making the roster.
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"I think a 50% molina is better then cruz."
Not if he can't grip a bat. The Cardinals have a tough enough time scoring runs. They can't give away two outs every time through the batting order.
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Bourjos also apparrently announced last night he's not on the playoff roster.
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Bourjos also apparrently announced last night he's not on the playoff roster.
Bourjos has likely played his last game as a Cardinal. Hopefully he's traded to Baltimore for an underachieving pitcher.
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Some good news here ...
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PD is reporting molina is going to likely make a go of it. I think a 50% molina is better then cruz. And grichuk is playing long toss at 200ft. Thats good to go in my book for what he offers at the plate over jay, who would likely get the start instead of him.
I don't think Jay starts at all. If Grichuk can't go (and perhaps even if he can), I expect an outfield of Holliday, Heyward and Piscotty.
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"Bourjos has likely played his last game as a Cardinal"
Likely, and unfortunate. The 2011 version of Bourjos would have been an asset. But you can't burn a roster spot on a guy whose only roles appear to be as a late inning defensive replacement and as a pinch-runner who can't steal bases.
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Langosch has reported tat the Cards had more than 11 pitchers at Wednesday's workout, Choate was not one of them.....
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Langosch has reported tat the Cards had more than 11 pitchers at Wednesday's workout, Choate was not one of them.....
So there's a possibility that as many as four guys - Kozma, Bourjos, Choate and Villanueva - who were healthy and on the team all year may not be on the playoff roster.
That's almost certainly a record.
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Matheny is holding a press conference. Sounds like:
C: Molina, Cruz
IF: Piscotty, Moss, Reynolds, Wong, Peralta, Carpenter, Garcia
OF: Holliday, Grichuk, Heyward (CF), Pham, Jay
SP: Lackey, Garcia, Wacha, Lynn (in that order)
RHRP: Rosenthal, Wainwright, Maness, Broxton, Villanueva
LHRP: Siegrist, Lyons
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Choate
Adams
Kozma
Cishek
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Villanueva over Cishek? Interesting ...
Not saying I disagree, mind you.
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Villanueva over Cishek? Interesting ...
Not saying I disagree, mind you.
Interesting is right. I guess i trust villa as much as i do bronxton or cishek. And villa can eat innings if the situation calls for. Plus with waino you have an extra late inning lock down arm.