artie_fufkin wrote:

CBS Sports is reporting Cishek was non-tendered.
I hope the farm system is as deep as Moz thinks it is.

 

I really wasnt to impressed with him.  Certainly not worth the 8mill-ish price tag just because he was a closer for a dysfunctional team.  Speaking of such, barry bonds is thier hitting coach. 

I think the 2 kids in the farm system with the long ass names are as good or better then cishek.

Last edited by APIAD (12/03/2015 5:55 am)

"the 2 kids in the farm system with the long ass names"

Tuivailala and Socolovich?

Last edited by artie_fufkin (12/03/2015 9:33 am)

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Peter Bourjos receives a raise from $1.65M to $2M from the Phillies. 

Other than porn, is there another industry in which someone can suck so much and still earn a 20% raise?

 
I saw what you did there ...

You happen to catch the raise Colby Rasmus landed? 

Nearly 100% by accepting the qualifying offer.... From 8 million dollars to .....
15.8 million offered to a dude who hit .238 with 25 HRs and struck out 154 times to 47 walks.

Why? 6 playoff games where he went 7 for 17 with 4 HRs. 
 

forsberg_us wrote:

alz wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

 
I saw what you did there ...

You happen to catch the raise Colby Rasmus landed? 

Nearly 100% by accepting the qualifying offer.... From 8 million dollars to .....
15.8 million offered to a dude who hit .238 with 25 HRs and struck out 154 times to 47 walks.

Why? 6 playoff games where he went 7 for 17 with 4 HRs. 
 

I give credit to Colby's agent for being smart enough to be the first player to accept the tender offer. A couple of years back, Stephen Drew declined the 1-year tender coming off a less impressive year than Colby's.  He didn't sign with anyone until June or July of the following season, signed for less than the tender and then hit .160.

It was probably an easy call.  I think rasmus could give two shits less about length of contract.  I remember he mentioned retiring while playing for the blue jays.  And as stated he wouldnt have got 15.8mill a year on the open market

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

alz wrote:

You happen to catch the raise Colby Rasmus landed? 

Nearly 100% by accepting the qualifying offer.... From 8 million dollars to .....
15.8 million offered to a dude who hit .238 with 25 HRs and struck out 154 times to 47 walks.

Why? 6 playoff games where he went 7 for 17 with 4 HRs. 
 

I give credit to Colby's agent for being smart enough to be the first player to accept the tender offer. A couple of years back, Stephen Drew declined the 1-year tender coming off a less impressive year than Colby's.  He didn't sign with anyone until June or July of the following season, signed for less than the tender and then hit .160.

It was probably an easy call. I think rasmus could give two shits less about length of contract. I remember he mentioned retiring while playing for the blue jays. And as stated he wouldnt have got 15.8mill a year on the open market

Oh I totally agree. It was more issued as a "wtf are you thinking Luhnow?"

 

alz wrote:

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

I give credit to Colby's agent for being smart enough to be the first player to accept the tender offer. A couple of years back, Stephen Drew declined the 1-year tender coming off a less impressive year than Colby's.  He didn't sign with anyone until June or July of the following season, signed for less than the tender and then hit .160.

It was probably an easy call. I think rasmus could give two shits less about length of contract. I remember he mentioned retiring while playing for the blue jays. And as stated he wouldnt have got 15.8mill a year on the open market

Oh I totally agree. It was more issued as a "wtf are you thinking Luhnow?"

 

I'm not sure if this ever made it to our board, but I recall reading a quote from one of Raz's ex-teammates - maybe Brett Lawrie - who was similarly excommunicated from Toronto after 2014. He was asked last winter what he thought the Blue Jays would be like in 2015. His reply was something like: "A lot happier without Colby."

alz wrote:

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

I give credit to Colby's agent for being smart enough to be the first player to accept the tender offer. A couple of years back, Stephen Drew declined the 1-year tender coming off a less impressive year than Colby's.  He didn't sign with anyone until June or July of the following season, signed for less than the tender and then hit .160.

It was probably an easy call. I think rasmus could give two shits less about length of contract. I remember he mentioned retiring while playing for the blue jays. And as stated he wouldnt have got 15.8mill a year on the open market

Oh I totally agree. It was more issued as a "wtf are you thinking Luhnow?"

 

I would assume luhnow has a bit of a love afair with rasmus.  He drafted him, reunited with him and gave him a qualifying offer that exceded what his worth was on the open market.
 

"I would assume luhnow has a bit of a love afair with rasmus."

Must be the hair.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

I was speaking in term of being better then Cishek who has his own control issues. Or so he did at times with the cards.

I thought socolovich had an above average fastball.
 

Fangraphs, which is pretty good at this stuff, has him at 90 mph. His slider and changeup are both around 81.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6697&position=P

Admittedly I didnt get a chance to see him enough for him to make an impression on me but looking at that he mirrors seth maness.  I thought his fastball was 92-93 but it looks like I was wrong. 
 

 
And, as we saw in the 2013 World Series, if guys like Maness don't hit their spots, they can give up long home runs, even to shitty hitters like Jonny Gomes.
Seriously, Maness' best pitch is his sinker. He's used it to carve out a specific role - a guy who can come in and get two outs with a groundball. Socolovich really hasn't established himself yet as anything more than an arm when a better option isn't available.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Cubs get Lackey for 2 years, $32-$34 million.
Can I go back to hating him now?

Absolutely.  That was actually my first thought when I saw the headline.

From SB Nation:

Lackey declined a qualifying offer of one year, $15.8 million from the Cardinals in November, meaning the Cubs will have to forfeit their first-round pick in the 2016 draft. The Cardinals will receive an extra draft pick in the supplemental round between the first and second rounds.

artie_fufkin wrote:

From SB Nation:

Lackey declined a qualifying offer of one year, $15.8 million from the Cardinals in November, meaning the Cubs will have to forfeit their first-round pick in the 2016 draft. The Cardinals will receive an extra draft pick in the supplemental round between the first and second rounds.

 
I guess stealing a draft pick from the cubs offer some consolation.