tkihshbt wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Which department store will Mike Leake rob here in St. Louis?"

He didn't rob it. He shoplifted. 

One day you're shoplifting, the next you're holding up a K-Mart. Let's hope his picture has been placed in all the stores.

(I'm just covering up for my improper wording.)

Maybe one of our group members who is currently or was formerly involved in law enforcement can explain why $250 is the threshold for misdemeanor/felony larceny. Seems arbitrary. Or maybe that's just Massachusetts.
 

APIAD wrote:

Not sure how I feel about this. Leake is a decent pitcher. 16 million Iisnt that much by the markets standards and it is better then doing nothing. They didnt lose a draft pick so thats worth some extra cash. He is basicly lance lynn as far as on the field value. I think ulimately the cards can trade out of this contract billg bean style or this allows them to trade lynn if he is able to recover his value post injury. I suppose in thinking about it I see it as a decent move. Not spectacular but decent.

They gave Leake a full no-trade clause.

When healthy I think Lynn is a better pitcher.  This is probably an indication the Cardinals didn't think they could (or maybe wouldn't want to) sign Lynn after his contract expires.  

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Not sure how I feel about this. Leake is a decent pitcher. 16 million Iisnt that much by the markets standards and it is better then doing nothing. They didnt lose a draft pick so thats worth some extra cash. He is basicly lance lynn as far as on the field value. I think ulimately the cards can trade out of this contract billg bean style or this allows them to trade lynn if he is able to recover his value post injury. I suppose in thinking about it I see it as a decent move. Not spectacular but decent.

They gave Leake a full no-trade clause.

When healthy I think Lynn is a better pitcher.  This is probably an indication the Cardinals didn't think they could (or maybe wouldn't want to) sign Lynn after his contract expires.  

Lynn hasnt always been the happiest camper with his usage.
 

One thing to watch is Leake is an extreme ground ball pitcher. His strikeout numbers are pretty low. He had a good defensive infield behind him in Cincinnati. Hopefully the Cardinals infield will support him defensively.

"Retail theft has to be over $300 in illinois unless it is gas, then it is $150, to be a felony."

Other than a tractor-trailer, what kind of vehicle has a capacity of more than $150 in gas?

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Retail theft has to be over $300 in illinois unless it is gas, then it is $150, to be a felony."

Other than a tractor-trailer, what kind of vehicle has a capacity of more than $150 in gas?

AP would know better than me, but I'm guessing a lot of the farmers have fuel storage vehicles that they use to fuel their farming equipment.

What is this "farm" of which you speak?

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Retail theft has to be over $300 in illinois unless it is gas, then it is $150, to be a felony."

Other than a tractor-trailer, what kind of vehicle has a capacity of more than $150 in gas?

Not many But some.  Thats only 37 gallon when the price was $4 a gallon.   Those 2500 and 3500 diesel trucks have 2 tanks.  Im sure they would qualify.  Or like fors said, many farms have a fuel tank in the bed of there truck for equipment.  doubt the law was wrote just for that one vechile tho.  I suppose a dollar limit had to be set in case the theft was to large.  It is about as ridiculous as a 300 or 750 dollar limit on merchandise.   You would have to steal everything in dollar tree to get $750.  The way the crimal justice system works (or doesnt work) I highly doubt retail theft alone would ever be convicted as a felony, no matter how many times it was on somebodys record or the dollar amount.

From StlCardinalBaseball:

"Jon Morosi says ‪#‎Cardinals‬ are negotiating with Colorado about one of their outfielders."

 

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

From StlCardinalBaseball:

"Jon Morosi says ‪#‎Cardinals‬ are negotiating with Colorado about one of their outfielders."

 

Ive not seen enough to say this definitively but im not a fan of their outfield.... including cargo

Idk im on the fence I guess.  Cargo would still be the best middle of the order bat in the cardinals lineup even in lower altitude.

Blackmond's speed and heyward like line would suit fine.  As well as the ability to play him in cf and grichuk in right. 

Im undecided
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

Well, obviously, the concern is the discrepancy in their home/road numbers. That being said, I like Blackmon. He's a good defensive player and he gives the Cardinals a real leadoff hitter. Maybe Moz can use the Jedi mind trick or something on the Rockies and pry loose Nolan Arenado. That guy made plays at third base last year I've never seen anyone make, and I watched Scott Rolen play everyday for 5 1/2 years.

I agree on both fronts.  Ive been in favor signing a third baseman all off season.  I think it is a better position to spend money at and I see carp as a super star at second. 

At least with Blackmon you get 2 traints that altitude doesnt effect.....speed and defense. 
 

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

I don't understand why Matheny is getting killed for this. I would have said "Fuck Jason Heyward" and left it there, but I guess MM feels like he has to maintain a modicum of dignity.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25420683/mike-matheny-bothered-by-jason-heywards-cardinals-comments

Wainwright basicly called him a pussy....a nice guy but a pussy.

Chad made basically the exact same comments as Wainwright when I saw him Sunday. Said the Cubs were Heyward's ideal team because it allowed him to be paid like "the man" without having to actually be "the man."  Said that fit Heyward's personality perfectly.

APIAD wrote:

Did chad say anything about how holliday was doing at first?

No.  Unless the Cardinals sign another outfielder, I don't think it matters much.

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Did chad say anything about how holliday was doing at first?

No.  Unless the Cardinals sign another outfielder, I don't think it matters much.

I figured it to be the other way around.  If the cardinals sign another outfielder it would be because they believe in holliday at first. 
 

Just my belief, but as things stand currently I don't get the sense that there's any thought Holliday would play more than a handful of games at first. I see him more as a RH option to Moss/Adams who could maybe play against LHP.

Given the team's current composition, it makes a lot more sense to trade for an OF than to sign one. Even if you assume Holliday could play first, it makes no sense to have Moss and Adams on the bench. If they do something, I expect Adams to be part of the trade package.