Offline
APIAD wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
tkihshbt wrote:
Did not look like he got all of that. I thought it was 300-foot pop fly.
Missed it. I'm trying to watch on the computer at work, judiciously window-shading the internet if I think the boss is looking over my shoulder.
For all the fuss of grichuk passing moss nobody mentioned that the first base coach plays a roll.
Agree AP , the first base coach probably got caught up following the ball , leading to the confusion that apparently the umps didn't catch nor the Brewers . It was unusual in the fact that it was not quickly determined what happened in centerfield . Moss shoulhave been closer to second base . But as the trailing runner Grichuk should have been paying closer attention to the lead runner . I was always taught the burden in these situations was the trailer . I've never seen a play pan out exactly like this did . Moss got most of the blame but Grichukshould share in a great deal of responsibility . Anyway the Cards got away with one here.
Offline
Not having seen the play, was Moss tagging up at first?
Either way, I think you're right, Don. The play is in front of the trail runner. It's up to him to not pass the guy who's right in front of him.
Offline
APIAD wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
APIAD wrote:
I enjoyed working on the farm and bailing hay so i wont count them. I picked peaches for several summers. That sucked balls. There is no breeze in a orchard no matter how windy it is. Had to work in the rain and even if it wasnt raining the morning dew was basicly the same. The worst part was probably the peach fuzz. It irritated you badly. Under your neck and arm joint was the worst. Youd break out and itch all summer. That was probably my worst job. In college i worked at a factory full time making thousands of toilet brushes a day. I sort of liked factory work. It was hot and boring, cold in the winter but nobody fucked with you. You showed up to work and went home. No bullshit.
I would never have considered the occupational hazard aspect of peach fuzz.Its no joke. Promise
Not doubting you. The only place I've ever seen a peach is in a supermarket. They might grow underwater for all I know.
My first newspaper job was part-time, getting paid by the article, so I had to take a second day job at a small factory that made nautical products like bilge cleaner, teak oil and boat soap. We used to sell the stuff we made in 5-gallon jugs that my boss bought from Ocean Spray when they scaled back the operations at their cranberry juice plant in Massachusetts. In order to re-use the jugs, they had to be rinsed out with a mixture of water and ammonia, to kill the cranberry enzymes. That was my job. If you're exposed to ammonia for any length of time, it wreaks havoc on your mucus membranes. So for about three months - until I got hired full-time at the paper - snot ran constantly out of my nose. And I was single at time. Not really the best way to impress the ladies when you're out on a Saturday night.
Last edited by artie_fufkin (4/14/2016 9:39 pm)
Offline
artie_fufkin wrote:
Not having seen the play, was Moss tagging up at first?
Either way, I think you're right, Don. The play is in front of the trail runner. It's up to him to not pass the guy who's right in front of him.
The ball was hit really high . What I believe happened , Moss did go down toward second he thought the ball was going to be caught before it was actually caught and made a beeline back to first thinking he could tag and go to second . Meanwhile I think Grichuk believed the ball actually was caught and lazily touched first with Mossin the tagging position . But Grichuk instead of stopping or going on down the foul line angled inward toward second base and actually passed Moss .here the ball should have been declared dead and I think Grichuk is automatically out . Now I'm not sure what base or bases Moss is allowed . MaCarver says home . I really don't know not ever seeing that particular situation come up before . If the Cards saw what happened they weren't telling and the umps and Brwers missed it as well.
As far as I know there is no situation where a trailing runner can pass a lead runner .....
Offline
Goold said it should have been ruled an rbi single and Grichuk ruled out....
Offline
don.rob11 wrote:
Goold said it should have been ruled an rbi single and Grichuk ruled out....
I think that's right. According to Retrosheet, the exact same situation happened in Baltimore in 2006. Miguel Tejada was on first and Javy Lopez hit a ball that just cleared the wall. Tejada raced back to first because he thought the ball was caught and was passed by Lopez. Lopez was ruled out, but Tejada was allowed to score.
Offline
The most famous instance was when Joe Adcock passed Hank Aaron at the end of Harvey Haddix's perfect game. But the only difference was the final score ended up being 2-0 instead of 3-0.
Offline
Imo what happen was moss wanted to tag up if it was caught. If he went all the way to second or past as mccarver stated he shoukd have he could have made it back to first but certainly wouldnt have been able to tag up.
Imo moss has to be further off first base even if thats his objected (to tag up) He was on it. It might have been grichuks duty to pay attention but you have to expect enought room to round the base slightly.
I also dont think moss should have played for the tag up. If the ball is dropped and moss is still on first it is unlikely he scores. Most likely moss ends up at third and grichuk at second.
What i believe is proper is mccarvers opinion. Moss should have been slightly around second. If the ball is dropped he scores and with grichuks speed he ends up scoring or at 3rd. If it is caught then moss is on first.
Who at fault
1. Moss for bad base running
2. Grichuk for not watching moss
3. Mostly the first base coach. This is him only job in this situation. There isnt much point to a first base coach but you would think they would be on there toes for the situations that call for them.
Offline
"3. Mostly the first base coach."
I'm willing to give Mueller a little slack here. He's only been the first base coach for about a week, and it was kind of sprung on him when Oquendo got hurt. You need a lot of experience before you're competent enough to yell "Back!" when the pitcher throws over and remind the runner to make sure the line drive gets through before he breaks for second.
Offline
1. Moss made a bonehead decision
2. Grichuk made a bonehead play
3. 1b coach became a spectator
Offline
artie_fufkin wrote:
You need a lot of experience before you're competent enough to yell "Back!" when the pitcher throws over and remind the runner to make sure the line drive gets through before he breaks for second.