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4/19 GC
1. Matt Carpenter, 3B
2. Jeremy Hazelbaker, RF
3. Matt Holliday, LF
4. Matt Adams, 1B
5. Randal Grichuk, CF
6. Yadier Molina, C
7. Kolten Wong, 2B
8. Ruben Tejada, SS
9. Jaime Garcia, P
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That Wong contract is looking bad right now. Emphasis on right now.
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tkihshbt wrote:
That Wong contract is looking bad right now. Emphasis on right now.
Nah. It was pretty team friendly. Even if they decided to move on, they'd be able to move him for something.
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Garcia is fidgety tonight
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Are you kidding me?
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Adams cost us a run and a very impressive first at bat by Tejada.
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Has the strike zone been this small all game?
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Fuck Heyward
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Yeah, I guess this team is average at best.
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That's a strike. Baez was out over the plate.
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I was hoping tomorrow they would be playing for a series win....not just salvaging some respect.
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I was hoping tomorrow they would be playing for a series win....not just salvaging some respect.
They are fundamentally poor and play atrocious defense. I think the offense can still be good, but they don't have the same team from 2013-2015 that could win one-run, low-scoring affairs. They've never had much range, but they still made all the necessary plays. This team can't do it. They have five first baseman, two right fielders and a bunch of spare parts.
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The Cubs are just taunting Cards hitters. Everything has been outside the last 2 nights and the Cardinals can't figure out what todo. It's the same thing Chase Anderson did a week ago. Piscotty looks really out of sorts the last few days
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Strop vs. Grichuk was the most lopsided matchup since Anyone vs. Pete Kozma.
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Strop vs. Grichuk was the most lopsided matchup since Anyone vs. Pete Kozma.
Apropos of nothing, but did anyone else see the MLB Top 100 players that listed Grichuk somewhere around 40? Who did the Cardinals PR Department pay off to make that happen?
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I was hoping tomorrow they would be playing for a series win....not just salvaging some respect.
They are fundamentally poor and play atrocious defense. I think the offense can still be good, but they don't have the same team from 2013-2015 that could win one-run, low-scoring affairs. They've never had much range, but they still made all the necessary plays. This team can't do it. They have five first baseman, two right fielders and a bunch of spare parts.
Garcia wasn't sharp, but he threw 15-20 extra pitches because of the infield defense. They have a pitch-to-contact staff working with a below average defense. It's a recipe for disaster.
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It's the worst Cardinals defense I've seen since 2008 when there was an infield of Glaus, washed up Izturis and Schumaker.
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Cardinals have whiffed on 20 sliders the last two nights.
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Don't forget the bad base-running. The fast guys don't run well, except for maybe Hazelbaker, though I can't remember the last time he was on base. A couple of the slow guys know what they're doing, but they're slow. And it's not about Holliday getting chucked out at the plate. It's the right play there to send him. A Gold Glove outfielder just made a good throw. I'm more annoyed with Adams getting picked off second. That can't happen there.
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Don't forget the bad base-running. The fast guys don't run well, except for maybe Hazelbaker, though I can't remember the last time he was on base. A couple of the slow guys know what they're doing, but they're slow. And it's not about Holliday getting chucked out at the plate. It's the right play there to send him. A Gold Glove outfielder just made a good throw. I'm more annoyed with Adams getting picked off second. That can't happen there.
I definitely agree about Holliday. I mean, you have to take a chance there and if Heyward cuts you down on a 300-foot fly ball, you tip your cap and move on. Why Matheny was calling for a double steal in that situation with Adams as the lead runner is asinine.
With all the whiffing going on against the Pirates and Cubs, I think there might be some legitimacy to the idea that they are pressing. I've already seen people dismiss their bombardment of the Braves, Brewers and Reds, but other teams aren't clubbing them to that extent. I think they are way too emotional about the Cubs and Joe Maddon is in their heads.
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"With all the whiffing going on against the Pirates and Cubs, I think there might be some legitimacy to the idea that they are pressing. I've already seen people dismiss their bombardment of the Braves, Brewers and Reds, but other teams aren't clubbing them to that extent. I think they are way too emotional about the Cubs and Joe Maddon is in their heads."
Interesting, but I'm not sure I agree with the notion it's because they're pressing or Maddon is in their heads. I think it's simply because they're just facing better pitchers from the Cubs and Pirates. It's hard to overstate how bad those three other teams are, especially their pitching.
I'll restate my opinion about the gulf between the good teams and the bad teams in the NL this season. There are maybe a half-dozen teams who are just awful.
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Don't forget the bad base-running. The fast guys don't run well, except for maybe Hazelbaker, though I can't remember the last time he was on base. A couple of the slow guys know what they're doing, but they're slow. And it's not about Holliday getting chucked out at the plate. It's the right play there to send him. A Gold Glove outfielder just made a good throw. I'm more annoyed with Adams getting picked off second. That can't happen there.
I definitely agree about Holliday. I mean, you have to take a chance there and if Heyward cuts you down on a 300-foot fly ball, you tip your cap and move on. Why Matheny was calling for a double steal in that situation with Adams as the lead runner is asinine.
With all the whiffing going on against the Pirates and Cubs, I think there might be some legitimacy to the idea that they are pressing. I've already seen people dismiss their bombardment of the Braves, Brewers and Reds, but other teams aren't clubbing them to that extent. I think they are way too emotional about the Cubs and Joe Maddon is in their heads.
I haven't read anything, but I assumed the play with Adams was a hit and run which makes it all the more inexcusable that he gets picked off. If that's the case, the assumption is that Adams is thrown out on any ball where Molina fails to make contact. Leaving early and getting picked off was beyond stupid.
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Interesting, but I'm not sure I agree with the notion it's because they're pressing or Maddon is in their heads. I think it's simply because they're just facing better pitchers from the Cubs and Pirates. It's hard to overstate how bad those three other teams are, especially their pitching.
True, but the Braves have allowed 37 runs in the 10 non-Cardinals games they've had. The Reds and Brewers are bad, but the Cardinals scored 2-3 more runs per game above what they've allowed against non-Cardinals teams. Plus, Juan Nicasio was battered by the Tigers and mediocre against the Brewers. Francisco Liriano has been terrible against the Reds and Padres(!). Jason Hammel threw maybe 60 actual strikes last night. I think there is a possibility that if those guys are pitching for the Brewers or Reds or Padres or the Nashville Zounds the Cardinals knock them around. There is something very weird going on with this team when they travel to Pittsburgh or play the Cubs.
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Yeah the pick off was a hit and run. I would have just played it straight up but thats is easy to say now. I see the logic. Adams is a slow fat ass and molina is slow to. They were playing to molinas contact and trying to stay out of the dp. Idk how you get pick off there tho. And as mike shannon commented, grichuk should have got to second.
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Don't forget the bad base-running. The fast guys don't run well, except for maybe Hazelbaker, though I can't remember the last time he was on base. A couple of the slow guys know what they're doing, but they're slow. And it's not about Holliday getting chucked out at the plate. It's the right play there to send him. A Gold Glove outfielder just made a good throw. I'm more annoyed with Adams getting picked off second. That can't happen there.
Hazelbaker was a cool story anand im glad matheny was smart enough to play the hot bat. He isnt hot anymore. He should stop batting 2nd and be treated like the decent 4th outfielder that his ceiling is. Matheny went from using the hot hand to over exposing. Maybe in jjst being an armchair qb.