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1/25/2016 8:32 am  #101


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If any one is to blame it is the patriots offensive line.  The broncos were up Bradys ass all night, which he looked surprising uncomfortable with.

 

1/25/2016 8:45 am  #102


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Listening to the radio on the way in, the mood was surprisingly tempered. The crew on WEEI was talking about the Revenant. 

 

1/25/2016 10:01 am  #103


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Listening to the radio on the way in, the mood was surprisingly tempered. The crew on WEEI was talking about the Revenant. 

Isn't that the movie in which DiCaprio gets raped by the bear?  As AP indicated, that's eerily similar to the treatment the Broncos defense gave Brady.

 

1/25/2016 1:03 pm  #104


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I'm not a fan of the Panthers or Cam Newton , but they utterly dismantled the Cardinals .
I think the Broncos are in trouble .......

 

1/25/2016 1:16 pm  #105


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I posted too soon. The true believers must have been sleeping in. They're awake now and venting. A lot of criticism is being directed at Hoodie. And the praise, if it can be called that, for Manning is hilarious, mostly of the "Well, he didn't screw it up for them" variety.
I used to think fans in Phoenix were terrible because they know nothing about football, but they're worse here. There a lot to that adage about a little bit of knowledge being more dangerous than none at all.

 

1/25/2016 1:45 pm  #106


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don.rob11 wrote:

I'm not a fan of the Panthers or Cam Newton , but they utterly dismantled the Cardinals .
I think the Broncos are in trouble .......

I agree

 

1/26/2016 8:46 am  #107


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The natives are even angrier today, my friends.
The order of blame appears to be as follows:
1. Offensive line
2. Belichick
3. Josh McDaniels
4. Gostkowski
5. Officials

Living the dream here today ...

 

1/26/2016 10:13 am  #108


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artie_fufkin wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

Artie, this is more of a journalist question more than football, but what are your thoughts on Peter Gammons?

 
In his prime, Gammons was the best beat writer in baseball, in terms of both content and style. But along the way he became a celebrity. Television was a terrible fit for him, and he kind of devolved in this Walter Winchell character.
He'll most likely be remembered as the best baseball writer ever, and he deserves all the accolades he gets for helping to advance the profession from the violet prose era of Grantland Rice, et al, but he never should have left the Globe.

I thank you for providing the answer I was looking for to a question that was a little too broad because I was typing it on my phone on a Sunday morning. I've only known Gammons as an ESPN guy and now a guy I follow on Twitter and I've always been a fan of his work, but I was curious about his reputation prior to being a media personality. What spurred the question was his criticism of a New England TV reporter that said "Go Patriots" before signing off the other day. Gammons found this totally unprofessional and said as much on Twitter, something I really appreciated.
 

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1/26/2016 11:26 am  #109


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Apparently the Miami Herald wrote a big thank you article to Denver for keeping New England from another Super Bowl. Then patted themselves on the back for the monumental win against New England on the last week of the season keeping them from home field, which kept New England from winning etc etc.

I get the spirit of the article, but it was very depressing reading a media article celebrating the only division win the Dolphins had and wanting to take credit for keeping New England from a benefit that might have given them the needed edge with be in a Super Bowl.... Denver kept New England from a Super Bowl. Not the 6-10 Dolphins who went 1-5 in the AFC East... I miss the days when I was dissappointed in a 10 win season. So long ago.... Now breaking even in the division and missing the playoffs by fewer than 3 games is reason to consider a parade....

 

1/26/2016 12:04 pm  #110


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"What spurred the question was his criticism of a New England TV reporter that said "Go Patriots" before signing off the other day. Gammons found this totally unprofessional and said as much on Twitter, something I really appreciated."

He should have called them out. I'm guessing he was referring to someone from the local CBS affiliate, which is waaaaay too close to the Patriots. In addition to broadcasting most of the regular season games with the national TV contract, the local affiliate also broadcasts the pre-season games, and for those one of the on-the-field reporters is also the sports anchor, who wears a shirt with the Flying Elvis logo while he's covering the games. No conflict of interest there. 
The same station has also produced a few embarrassing promos with its regular news people, including most recently one with the two anchors of the 6 p.m. news dressed in Patriots gear and wearing eyeblack and dancing. 
The biggest restaurant at Kraft's enormous "Patriot Place" shopping center next to the stadium is called "CBS Scene," and when the whole Ray Rice thing started to go badly for Goodell, it was CBS that Kraft went running to for an interview to say Goodell was doing an "excellent" job handling the situation.
At the same time, Gammons' affection for the Red Sox is hardly a secret. Granted, he's lived his entire life in Massachusetts and covered the Red Sox for the Globe, but it's a little hypocritical from him to call out someone else for rooting from the press box, even in the conspicuous way the Boston media grovels to the Patriots these days.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM9cdI43sfc

 

1/26/2016 12:21 pm  #111


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"Apparently the Miami Herald wrote a big thank you article to Denver for keeping New England from another Super Bowl."

Keeping with the theme of the previous post, unless their reporters were on the field blocking and tackling, I'm not sure how the Miami Herald takes credit for the Dolphins beating the Patriots, but part of the narrative here is that Belichick chose to not risk any more of his players to injury in the last game of the regular season instead of trying to win.
Not having seen the Dolphins/Patriots game, it's hard for me to intelligently comment about Belichick's motives, but I find it hard to believe that any coach, especially that one, would tank a game that would assure his team of playing at home throughout the conference playoffs, and especially avoiding a trip to Denver, where, I believe, the Patriots have never won a playoff game.

 

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1/28/2016 2:27 pm  #112


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The Pro Bowl is a joke. I get it. And there's a part of me that maybe might respect the Patriots' players flipping the bird to Goddell, if they've convinced themselves that he really does have a vendetta against their team. And some of them may be legitimately banged up. But the kicker?? Key-rist. Take the free trip to Honolulu. Otherwise, this boycott or whatever it is smacks of a we're-too-good-for-meaningless-games mentality that makes them even more obnoxious.

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4/25/2016 10:54 am  #113


 

4/25/2016 1:06 pm  #114


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As thrilled as I am to see Brady potentially miss a quarter of his age 38 season, I'm a little uncomfortable that the courts are working with the NFL.

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4/25/2016 5:46 pm  #115


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It seems strange to me that the courts would even het involved until a civil suite was raised.  I mean the nfl is an employer.  Brady is an employee.  Next time i get fucked over i wish a judge would tell my boss to shove it.

 

4/25/2016 5:50 pm  #116


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Whoops, Brady will be 39 in August. 

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4/25/2016 8:05 pm  #117


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This was actually an easy case for the appellate court. It was more surprising that a district judge decided to turn into a fanboy and reverse the suspension in the first place.

There's about 60-70 years of Supreme Court precedent holding that when 2 parties collectively bargain for a dispute resolution process, the courts are supposed to butt out.

I read parts of the appellate court's decision. It could be summarized as "the CBA gave Goodell the authority to make this decision. Whether we agree is inconsequential."

 

4/25/2016 9:56 pm  #118


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forsberg_us wrote:

This was actually an easy case for the appellate court. It was more surprising that a district judge decided to turn into a fanboy and reverse the suspension in the first place.

There's about 60-70 years of Supreme Court precedent holding that when 2 parties collectively bargain for a dispute resolution process, the courts are supposed to butt out.

I read parts of the appellate court's decision. It could be summarized as "the CBA gave Goodell the authority to make this decision. Whether we agree is inconsequential."

 
If Brady wants to blame someone, he ought to point his finger at the folks in the players union who agreed to let the commissioner impose the discipline as part of the last collective bargaining agreement. It's really unimportant whether Brady knew the equipment guys let air out of the footballs, put helium in them or slathered them with mustard.
The appellate court's decision - as Judge Berman's should have been - was based on whether Goodell exceeded his authority.

 

4/25/2016 10:04 pm  #119


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artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

This was actually an easy case for the appellate court. It was more surprising that a district judge decided to turn into a fanboy and reverse the suspension in the first place.

There's about 60-70 years of Supreme Court precedent holding that when 2 parties collectively bargain for a dispute resolution process, the courts are supposed to butt out.

I read parts of the appellate court's decision. It could be summarized as "the CBA gave Goodell the authority to make this decision. Whether we agree is inconsequential."

 
If Brady wants to blame someone, he ought to point his finger at the folks in the players union who agreed to let the commissioner impose the discipline as part of the last collective bargaining agreement. It's really unimportant whether Brady knew the equipment guys let air out of the footballs, put helium in them or slathered them with mustard.
The appellate court's decision - as Judge Berman's should have been - was based on whether Goodell exceeded his authority.

Bingo.

I've personally arbitrated about 3 dozen cases, and I've probably been involved in some capacity in 50 others. Fortunately, we've won more than we've lost, but in all those cases--win or lose--only one of them was ever appealed to a federal court. Way, way more often than not it's a waste of time and money.

 

4/25/2016 10:44 pm  #120


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forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

This was actually an easy case for the appellate court. It was more surprising that a district judge decided to turn into a fanboy and reverse the suspension in the first place.

There's about 60-70 years of Supreme Court precedent holding that when 2 parties collectively bargain for a dispute resolution process, the courts are supposed to butt out.

I read parts of the appellate court's decision. It could be summarized as "the CBA gave Goodell the authority to make this decision. Whether we agree is inconsequential."

 
If Brady wants to blame someone, he ought to point his finger at the folks in the players union who agreed to let the commissioner impose the discipline as part of the last collective bargaining agreement. It's really unimportant whether Brady knew the equipment guys let air out of the footballs, put helium in them or slathered them with mustard.
The appellate court's decision - as Judge Berman's should have been - was based on whether Goodell exceeded his authority.

Bingo.

I've personally arbitrated about 3 dozen cases, and I've probably been involved in some capacity in 50 others. Fortunately, we've won more than we've lost, but in all those cases--win or lose--only one of them was ever appealed to a federal court. Way, way more often than not it's a waste of time and money.

 
Brady's Boyfriends here are convinced he'll appeal, even if he has to go to the Supreme Court. They think if he accepts the suspension or even a deal, he's admitting guilt, and the ballwashers can't comprehend the thought of their boy's legacy being tarnished. Of course, it's too late. The third paragraph of his obituary will reference deflated footballs.
I don't understand the logic behind the notion Goodell will reduce the suspension, which was a popular assumption today. Goodell has no incentive to budge. Brady was at least uncooperative, if not obstructive, with the investigation, and the team's owner hasn't done him any favors.

 

4/25/2016 10:51 pm  #121


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artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

 
If Brady wants to blame someone, he ought to point his finger at the folks in the players union who agreed to let the commissioner impose the discipline as part of the last collective bargaining agreement. It's really unimportant whether Brady knew the equipment guys let air out of the footballs, put helium in them or slathered them with mustard.
The appellate court's decision - as Judge Berman's should have been - was based on whether Goodell exceeded his authority.

Bingo.

I've personally arbitrated about 3 dozen cases, and I've probably been involved in some capacity in 50 others. Fortunately, we've won more than we've lost, but in all those cases--win or lose--only one of them was ever appealed to a federal court. Way, way more often than not it's a waste of time and money.

 
Brady's Boyfriends here are convinced he'll appeal, even if he has to go to the Supreme Court. They think if he accepts the suspension or even a deal, he's admitting guilt, and the ballwashers can't comprehend the thought of their boy's legacy being tarnished. Of course, it's too late. The third paragraph of his obituary will reference deflated footballs.
I don't understand the logic behind the notion Goodell will reduce the suspension, which was a popular assumption today. Goodell has no incentive to budge. Brady was at least uncooperative, if not obstructive, with the investigation, and the team's owner hasn't done him any favors.

OK. Neither an en banc 2nd Circuit nor the Supreme Court are required to grant him an appeal. And with the Supreme Court sitting at 8 justices, they're trying to limit the number of cases they're hearing.

Brady has about as much chance of winning an appeal as Ted Cruz has of getting to 1,237.

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4/26/2016 8:04 am  #122


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"Neither an en banc 2nd Circuit"

"En banc" is my new favorite term.
The BBs are clinging to the notion they have a shot with the entire court since the chief judge wrote the dissenting opinion. WEEI had a legal expert from Texas on this morning who said there's a 1 percent chance of the Second Circuit hearing the appeal, and less than a 1 percent chance of it ending up with SCOTUS. The legal expert was then summarily dismissed as an ambulance chaser.
The best theory I've heard is the one espoused on the radio this morning by a caller from Western Massachusetts - our version of Arkansas - who said Goodell and Kraft are Illuminati who are using Brady as a blood sacrifice. Hogwash, I say. Everyone knows the Illuminati won't reveal themselves until their supreme ruler - Richard Simmons - goes tits up.

 

4/26/2016 10:45 am  #123


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From the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedures (affectionately known as FRAP)

Rule 35. En Banc Determination 

(a) When Hearing or Rehearing En Banc May Be Ordered. A majority of the circuit judges who are in regular active service and who are not disqualified may order that an appeal or other proceeding be heard or reheard by the court of appeals en banc. An en banc hearing or rehearing is not favored and ordinarily will not be ordered unless:

(1) en banc consideration is necessary to secure or maintain uniformity of the court's decisions; or
(2) the proceeding involves a question of exceptional importance.


Despite what the BB may want to tell themselves, this isn't a matter of exceptional importance, and it certainly isn't one where there's a lack of uniformity of the law.
 




 

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4/26/2016 11:10 am  #124


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"this isn't a matter of exceptional importance"

HEY AHHS-HOLE, WHUT COOD BE MOW-AH IMPAUTENT THEN TAUMMY MISSIN' THE FIRST FO-WUH GAMES UH THE REGULAH SEASIN??? AND THEHS TWO DIVISHIN GAMES IN THEH-UH, SHIT FUH BRAINS!!

 

8/31/2016 12:38 pm  #125


 

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