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Alz,
No one is questioning your right to cheer for Oregon.
I do take exception with the notion that Stanford is as good as you represent. I think Stanford is similarly the prodcut of a poor Pac-10. Simply saying that the other SEC teams are 2+ loss teams doesn't tell the full story. Arkansas is a 2 loss team because it lost to a then-#1 Alabama and Auburn. LSU is a 2 loss team because it lost at Arkansas and to Auburn. Alabama is a 3 loss team because it lost at South Carolina, at LSU and to Auburn. I'd take any of those 3 teams against Stanford on a neutral field and feel pretty comfortable about my chances.
The Big 10 further illustrates why you can't simply look at a school's record. The Big 10 has 3 teams at 11-1 but it's much more the product of the other 8 teams being extremely mediocre than it is the quality of those 3 teams.
In any event, this entire discussion highlights why college football needs a playoff rather than the stupid system currently employed.
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"I think Stanford is similarly the prodcut of a poor Pac-10."
I don't know if I'd agree with the term "poor." There is one great team, one very good team, seven mediocre ones, and one dog. The problem the Pac-10 had this year, as is the case most years, was the mediocre teams kept knocking each other off.
Take a look at my beloved Sun Devils. They finished 6-6; 4-5 in the conference. Three of those conference losses were by a combined eight points. Say they win those three games, make the extra point in Madison and go on to win in OT. They finish 10-2, and are in a mjaor bowl game.
USC isn't eligible for a bowl, but three of their losses were by four points or less. Turn those around and they're 11-2 and with the voters' affinity for all things Trojan are probably in the Top 10 in both polls.
Now you probably have four of the Top 15 teams in the country in the Pac-10.
I realize this is all woulda, coulda, shoulda stuff, but my point is the Pac-10 doesn't suck. Except for Oregon, it's balanced. And there's a difference.
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well goddamnit. We all missed a golden investment opportunity.
Tickets to the 2011 BCS title game in late october/early november could be had for about 470.00 a seat.
They are now selling for 1100.00. Needless to say, I won't be attending this in person. I wanted to, but that makes the trip about 1700 with flight, hotel, drinks, etc. I'll be cheering quite loudly from somewhere in St. Louis instead.
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A follow on Stanford. I can say the rest of the pac-10 is good, but not inspiring good. Stanford is an exception, they are a very strong team. USC is too, they took it on the chin to Oregon, but so did everyone else, including SEC Tennessee (in Tennessee).
Stanford almost put it on Oregon too, jumped out all over us, but couldn't hold it.
Not to discredit Auburn. I'm certain LSU, Alabama, etc are all good teams. The entirety of the other division of the SEC is trash though, with South Carolina topping it. The SEC is the strongest conference, but 8/13 of Auburns games came against unranked teams too. Barely beating Miss St, barely beating Clemson, barely beating Kentucky. They had the tough games, but they also struggled against some really marginal opponents.
So who's gonna win? No clue, but everything I've seen in stats and on the field would lead me to say "TAKE THE OVER", this game could clear 110 points overall. Neither defense is a steel wall, and both offenses are pretty devastating.
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alz wrote:
well goddamnit. We all missed a golden investment opportunity.
Tickets to the 2011 BCS title game in late october/early november could be had for about 470.00 a seat.
They are now selling for 1100.00. Needless to say, I won't be attending this in person. I wanted to, but that makes the trip about 1700 with flight, hotel, drinks, etc. I'll be cheering quite loudly from somewhere in St. Louis instead.
Walk to Glendale, sleep on the sidewalk and spend $600 on drinks? Seems reasonable.
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The Big Game is right around the corner here now.
Auburn vs Oregon. -- Side note those tickets I could have had for 470.00 were 3000.00 a seat last night. =(
Two stellar offenses, two decent defenses. Oregon held Jaquizz in relative check, and will probably make Cam Newton try to win with his arm. I have no idea how Auburn will hold up to the pace Oregon is going to present. That seems like such a simple thing, but it's been the case against every team they've played except Cal. Teams wilt in the second half against that kind of tempo.
Oregons defense is more of a "Bend, but not Break" kind of defense, that turns into a bunch of ball hawks when the opponents are gassed in the second half. Barner/James/Thomas provide a serious problem to defending the run, and means you have to keep people in there. That frees up Maehl and Huff for a lot of 1v1 type passing plays. Bad news is that to make the decisions to run, keep and run, keep and pass takes an in play read, and Thomas is good at making it. You can't double the wideouts and stack the box, so whichever you choose to do, he'll go the other way.
It's certainly defendable. Cal did it with a lot of success (held Oregon to 15 points, but that was in Cal too).
This looks to be a great great game. 5 more days. Root for Oregon for me! Quack!!!!!
Best sports prediction Alz has ever made: 10/7/2010 in ref to the Oregon Ducks.
"In a rather "Cub-esque" fashion I will proclaim it our year. Quack."
One way or another, this has been our year.
Side note - LaMichael James committed to returning for his junior year. There are a lot of notables leaving as Seniors next season (Maehl, Paysinger to name a few), but Thomas and James will be back, and that means next year could be strong too!
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In tribute to Oregon, and my Cub'esque prediction coming true. I will only be posting in this thread today.
Matchup points. My "skilled analysis".
Auburn Points:
1) Size:: Auburn has a few things that can help or hurt them, but their size is apparent here. They are a bigger football team. Cam Newton is big, the O-Line is Big, the D-Line is Big, they are all big. On the offensive side of things, this is great, but the Big D-Line, and especially the fact that they don't rotate them much (they play I think 5 maybe 6 guys) is going to potentially haunt them when the second half hits and they are gassed.
2) Poise:: Whatever you want to say about pace, tempo, X's and O's, there's an intangible here. Auburn is from the SEC, and has had major games against highly ranked opponents all season long. South Carolina*2, LSU, Alabama being the obvious highlights. While Oregon has beaten USC, Stanford, Arizona, these wins are not on the same level, aside from Stanford (who will likely finish as the number 3/4 team in the nation).
3) Multi-Dimensional Attack:: A few teams have made Cam Newton throw the football to beat them, and he can do that too. He's not just a bulldozer, he can throw the ball. Oregon's defense is going to have to overload blitzes with a bump and run coverage to get to Cam before he can check down to the open guy. With the size difference, this is really going to prove difficult.
All of this leads me to believe that Auburns key to victory here resides squarely on their ability to slow the game down and give their defense as much rest as possible. It doesn't lead for scores in the 40s, but it should keep them fresh.
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Oregon Points:
1) Durability :: Oregon, while smaller, is used to running on 15 second clocks for the entire game. Largely because they rotate 9 Defensive Lineman in and out of the defense. No matter what Auburn puts on the field, the Oregon defense will not be tired.
2) Tempo :: This is pretty obvious, it doesn't really seem to mean much until the second half. At that point, teams really have a difficult time keeping up. Once they begin to slide, it just gets harder and harder with momentum going to Oregon. The downside to this is that it puts a lot of time and pressure on the Oregon defense, but Oregon's defense is much more adept to being on the field for long amounts of time due to the nature of their practicing. Oregon's second half point differential both offensive and defensive is phenomenal. 3 TD's allowed in the 4th quarter all season. Again this is another snowball turning into an avalanche. Once you get behind and need to score touchdowns, this is when Oregon becomes a very stingy and opportunistic defense.
3) Confidence :: Oregon comes into this as a slight dog, but they know that if they execute their offense, they cannot be beat. This has scored huge for them in many games where they were getting beaten, and then turned around and ripped out 35-50 points. They can score from anywhere, score quickly, score often. Chip Kelly will go for onside kicks, fourth downs, etc. He is a very "high pressure" coach in coming after a team offensively.
So it comes down to this, it's time for the predictions. Many people have this picked as a high scoring shootout, and I'm not sure I do. I think points will be scored, but I really think Auburn will try to be more deliberate on offense, in an effort to keep the defense rested. I'm going to call the game that I think Oregon needs to win. This is Oregon jumping to a 10-14 point lead early, and keeping that until halftime, then taking advantage of Auburn pressing in the second half to extend and pull away.
Oregon 44
Auburn 20
Am I nuts? Of course I am, but I've been nuts all year.
PUT DOWN YOUR PREDICTIONS PEOPLE!!!
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The Barn : 52-38 (I too, am a bit flakey)
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Who had 0-0 after 1Q in the pool???
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My pick is looking dumber by the minute !
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I'll say this. Regardless of who wins, these teams deserved to play on a better field. The number of players who have lost their footing in this game is pathetic.
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Sorry Alz. I'm not sure the outcome would have been different, but I would have liked to see these teams play 5 weeks ago when both were sharp.
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Someone tell Phil Knight to step it up on the "recruiting" front.
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It's okay, they finished a 4th and 1 away from a possible national championship. We have most everyone back for next season that's amazing important except for Maehl. I'm going to love him until I die, what a great season he had.