At least he got the pitcher out this time.

The team has clearly responded favorably to the acquisition of Zach Duke.

Seriously though, I'm glad they didn't do something stupid like making a huge trade, but it's a shame they weren't willing to accept that this team wasn't very good and lost the opportunity to sell off some of the pieces that won't be back next year.

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

The team has clearly responded favorably to the acquisition of Zach Duke.

Seriously though, I'm glad they didn't do something stupid like making a huge trade, but it's a shame they weren't willing to accept that this team wasn't very good and lost the opportunity to sell off some of the pieces that won't be back next year.

Has the ship sailed on that or can they still make some auver trades that make sense?

They can acquire players until Sept. 1, as long as the player passes through waivers. Which kind of limits them to overpriced guys teams are willing to dump. The Cardinals could probably have Clay Buchholz if they agree to pay him and pick him up at the airport.

APIAD wrote:

As the team selling players through waiver, how does it work?   For example, if garcia passes through waiver or someone makes a claim, can the Cardinals trade him for a prospect?

 
If he passes through waivers, they can trade him to anyone. If he's claimed, they can work out a trade with the team that claims him. They can also pull him back if, say, the Pirates claim him, which they most probably would.
But Garcia is going nowhere. He's only guaranteed salary is for the rest of 2016, and they don't have anyone in the rotation to replace him. If anyone gets dumped, it'll be Broxton.
And I assume the Cardinals at this point are still buyers. They're probably going to try to add a right handed bullpen arm.

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artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

As the team selling players through waiver, how does it work?   For example, if garcia passes through waiver or someone makes a claim, can the Cardinals trade him for a prospect?

 
If he passes through waivers, they can trade him to anyone. If he's claimed, they can work out a trade with the team that claims him. They can also pull him back if, say, the Pirates claim him, which they most probably would.
But Garcia is going nowhere. He's only guaranteed salary is for the rest of 2016, and they don't have anyone in the rotation to replace him. If anyone gets dumped, it'll be Broxton.
And I assume the Cardinals at this point are still buyers. They're probably going to try to add a right handed bullpen arm.

So if garcia passes through waiver and the pirates agree to trade us cole, does cole have to pass through waivers to?  Just hypothetical shit of course.

Imo, if thet dont plan on keeping holiday, moss and garcia. ...and those players are not going to net a comp pick id get something for them if i could.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

As the team selling players through waiver, how does it work?   For example, if garcia passes through waiver or someone makes a claim, can the Cardinals trade him for a prospect?

 
If he passes through waivers, they can trade him to anyone. If he's claimed, they can work out a trade with the team that claims him. They can also pull him back if, say, the Pirates claim him, which they most probably would.
But Garcia is going nowhere. He's only guaranteed salary is for the rest of 2016, and they don't have anyone in the rotation to replace him. If anyone gets dumped, it'll be Broxton.
And I assume the Cardinals at this point are still buyers. They're probably going to try to add a right handed bullpen arm.

So if garcia passes through waiver and the pirates agree to trade us cole, does cole have to pass through waivers to?  Just hypothetical shit of course.

Imo, if thet dont plan on keeping holiday, moss and garcia. ...and those players are not going to net a comp pick id get something for them if i could.

 
Yes. But the critical component for the Cardinals would be dumping salary. None of the three players you've cited is guaranteed a penny beyond this year, so there's no reason for the Cardinals to trade them.
BTW, Moz said last week they would like to have Moss back. Holliday has supposedly said he'd like to finish his career in St. Louis. I don't know if the Cardinals intend to accommodate that request, but he'd probably have to take some sort of pay cut.
I have to believe Garcia's train leaves the station at the end of this season. While $12 million isn't a lot for a middle of the rotation left-handed starting pitcher, there's no room in the rotation for him. They have too much money tied up in Leake and Wainwright, Martinez and Wacha are years away from free agency, and Lynn is coming back.