artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Holliday to the yankees for 13 mill, one year.

The word "conflicted" comes to mind. As in, seeing a really, really good guy go to a team I loathe makes me conflicted.

I hope Holiday has every possible success in New York. It seems sad that we can't keep him until he retires, an ugly aspect of the big leagues and the inability to hide someone in the National League at the DH position... The New York Yankees give him the flex to play 1B when he feels good, and go to batter only when he doesn't. Good money, year to year deal. It's a very good deal all around for everyone, except for the sentimental fan who still wishes there was some way he could retire as a Cardinal. 

Matt Holiday wasn't always the best, but he was always good, and I never felt like he cheated us on anything. I'll miss seeing him.

Saw a report last night Moz is talking to the Royals. Wong and prospects for Lorenzo Cain and Wade Davis.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Saw a report last night Moz is talking to the Royals. Wong and prospects for Lorenzo Cain and Wade Davis.

Id be fine with that. Im not a wong fan.

At this point, I'm not in favor of trading legitimate prospects to acquire any veterans.  This team has too many needs to start selling the future.  Of course there aren't that many true prospects in the Cards system.

On the other hand, it might be worth giving up a couple of top prospects to unload Wong.
 

Last edited by Mags (12/06/2016 11:34 am)

Id pull the trigger on this trade and see what it would take to get jay bruce.  That would set everything for 2016.

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

I think the Cardinals prospect pool is pretty deep, but few of them are close to the big leagues.  

What i read weaver and flaherty might be the prospects it has been narrowed down to. Id let then have weaver. I think he is destined to be a backend starter. Flaherty idk much about except they rank him pretty high in the system.

For an everyday cf that was an allstar in 2015 and a legit closer id do this. Cains injurys last year are the most worry something. Davis would really add some experience to the pen.

Good deal.  With that trade, the Cards might be able to finish within 10 to 12 games behind the cubs for a couple of years and then be trying to trade some more prospects for a player on the downside of his career.
 

Mags wrote:

That's not my impression at all.  I don't see a position player anywhere in the system above rookie leagues besides Kelly that is likely to be a perrieniel all-star...
[When I was a full-time prof, I knew how to spell that word that means in the picture every year.]
 

It's a tricky word, especially depending on context. 
Perennial all-stars include guys like Trout and Molina. Then you've got your perianal all-stars like Arrieta, Cashner...some might add Heyward to the list.

JV wrote:

Mags wrote:

That's not my impression at all.  I don't see a position player anywhere in the system above rookie leagues besides Kelly that is likely to be a perrieniel all-star...
[When I was a full-time prof, I knew how to spell that word that means in the picture every year.]
 

It's a tricky word, especially depending on context. 
Perennial all-stars include guys like Trout and Molina. Then you've got your perianal all-stars like Arrieta, Cashner...some might add Heyward to the list.

Thanks.
 

forsberg_us wrote:

Mags wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

I think the Cardinals prospect pool is pretty deep, but few of them are close to the big leagues.  

That's not my impression at all.  I don't see a position player anywhere in the system above rookie leagues besides Kelly that is likely to be a perrieniel all-star.  Some decent pitching prospects that I think they'll need.

[When I was a full-time prof, I knew how to spell that word that means in the picture every year.]

So far, Flaherty seems to be overrated but I would hate to see the give up either Weaver or Gomber.
 

The SS they drafted in the first round last year is supposed to be a special talent. They also signed 2 kids out of the Latin countries who are supposed to be very good. You're correct, they're all young, and are probably at least 5 years away, but they're still prospects in the system.

There's also another SS I'm forgetting. I think he finished at Palm Beach. Sosa, maybe.

That SS is one of 2 guys I had in mind when I excepted rookie leagues. 

Isn't Sosa subject to Rule 5 if they don't put him on the roster?  I don't think he'll bring much but I could be wrong.  I hope I am.

On further review:

I just checked and found that Sosa is now on the 40 man.  You are probably right about him.  He's rated as #7 on the prospect list.
 

Last edited by Mags (12/06/2016 10:46 pm)

Chapman back to the Yankees. I hope the prospects the Cubs gave up for him in the middle of the season all go on to be All-Stars.

Im not buying the idea that there just hasnt been anything that matches up for the cardinals excuse.

I wonder if they were in on the davis deal like rumored.  Grichuk and weaver for cain and davis would have been nice.  The team doesnt seem high on grichuk  and i think he compares eith soler.  Grichuk had a defensive edge.

I also would have rather had desmond instead of the hypothetical fowler.  Im not high on him at all. 

Im also interested in how jay bruce could fit into the puzzle.

This team hasn't had a player like Fowler in a long time. I don't care what the contract is -- they had to make a move.

Reports are varied, but it looks like a 4-5 year deal worth between $16 million-$18 million per.