"Memo from your friendly IT poster... If you're going to do something shady, go to another town, find a public computer, and use it. Don't use the computer in a residence. Don't google "How to get away with the crime I'm thinking of committing" before committing the crime either... Those two mistakes seem to account for 90% of the major fuck-ups that people make. Anything you do on the computer leaves a trace that is almost always recoverable somehow. "

Excellent points, but these guys clearly didn't think about the ramifications if they got caught. I envision a handful of IT guys sitting around in an apartment in Jupiter. One of them asks if he thinks he can hack into the Astros' data base. They pick the Astros because of the Luhnow connection. They're so surprised that the Luhnow's people didn't change or better disguise their passwords that they leak what they've found on line, to show how dumb the Astros are.
 

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artie_fufkin wrote:

"Memo from your friendly IT poster... If you're going to do something shady, go to another town, find a public computer, and use it. Don't use the computer in a residence. Don't google "How to get away with the crime I'm thinking of committing" before committing the crime either... Those two mistakes seem to account for 90% of the major fuck-ups that people make. Anything you do on the computer leaves a trace that is almost always recoverable somehow. "

Excellent points, but these guys clearly didn't think about the ramifications if they got caught. I envision a handful of IT guys sitting around in an apartment in Jupiter. One of them asks if he thinks he can hack into the Astros' data base. They pick the Astros because of the Luhnow connection. They're so surprised that the Luhnow's people didn't change or better disguise their passwords that they leak what they've found on line, to show how dumb the Astros are.
 

You've no idea how likely that actually is. That sounds like a lot of IT nerds in the field. 
 

wtf with this guy? AP get your beat-down stick out.

forsberg_us wrote:

lol nice

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/cardinals-to-send-two-draft-picks-to-astros-pay-2mm-fine-for-data-breach-scandal.html?fv-home=true&post-id=84100

So they lose their top 2 draft picks.  Not the worst punishment but a big award for the astros.  Makes me wonder what the punishment would have been if the cards would have signed another free agent that cost them a draft pick. Example, joey bats

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/cardinals-to-send-two-draft-picks-to-astros-pay-2mm-fine-for-data-breach-scandal.html?fv-home=true&post-id=84100

So they lose their top 2 draft picks. Not the worst pubishment but a big award for the astros. Makes me wonder what the punishment would have been if the cards would have signed another free agent costing that cost them a draft pick. Example, joey bats

Yeah, that's a pretty light punishment.  I'm somewhat surprised they awarded the picks to Houston.  That's a disadvantage to the other AL West teams that didn't do anything wrong.

Go sign Bautista now.  Only cost them a 4th round pick.

I like your thinking but i believe he already signed.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Other than the FBI eventually concluding absolultely nothing untoward occurred, which is unlikely, the best case scenario for the Cardinals is some horny IT guy hacked into Luhnow's email to look at pictures of all his Dominican girlfriends.
If it's more pervasive, the Cardinals are in trouble, and there's going to be a lot of schedenfreude.

I really regret not being around for this discussion last June.
 

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Yeah, that's a pretty light punishment.  I'm somewhat surprised they awarded the picks to Houston.  That's a disadvantage to the other AL West teams that didn't do anything wrong.

Go sign Bautista now.  Only cost them a 4th round pick.

I like your thinking but i believe he already signed.

You're right. I forgot he re-signed with Toronto. It's a shame there probably isn't anyone worth signing.

That was my choppy point.  If the cardinals would have signed him what would the pubishment been.  A 3rd and 4th round pick and 3 million dollars?  It is basicly a wasted drafted anyway.  They dont pick untill the 4th round and have very little money to spend on draft picks.  Imo, they should make the best of a bad situation.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Mags wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Other than the FBI eventually concluding absolultely nothing untoward occurred, which is unlikely, the best case scenario for the Cardinals is some horny IT guy hacked into Luhnow's email to look at pictures of all his Dominican girlfriends.
If it's more pervasive, the Cardinals are in trouble, and there's going to be a lot of schedenfreude.

I really regret not being around for this discussion last June.
 

So do I. I'm somewhere between angry and frustrated. Manfred made it clear the wrongdoing is confined to Correa, but the Cardinals will always be tainted with the "cheaters" label, and there's nothing they or their fans can say in response. The loss of the draft picks isn't onerous. The fine is nothing. One thing is for sure. I'm not reading anything written by Jeff Passan for the next week or so. He's going to destroy the Cardinals. And their fans, too.

In fairness, the label fits.  Manfred went out of his way to point out that the wrongdoing was confined to Correa, but that's a little difficult for me to believe.  I'm not saying Moz instructed him to do it or that it was an elaborate scheme within the organization, but I find it tough to swallow that Correa did this by himself for 2-plus years and no one else within the organization knew about it.

Much more likely, IMO, that Correa took the fall because he has a golden parachute waiting for him when he gets out of prison, and Manfred was willing to accept that story line because no one else was criminally charged and it minimizes the damage to Dewitt who supported Manfred's push for commissioner.

The story about the Cardinals being punished was buried on the back page of the sports section of today's Boston Globe, but that particular newspaper may have other priorities this week. I've been led to believe the local professional football team in playing in a game of some importance on Sunday. The Cardinals story may be getting more play elsewhere.

alz wrote:

I try to view that punishment in this light. 

If the Cubs did it to us, would the punishment be fair? Would I believe it was a rogue guy and not something the club benefited from?

In that sense, I think the fine and the draft picks are fair. A member of the Cardinals staff cheated, it reflects on the Cardinals as a team, and they just have to put their heads down and outlive the occurrence. But I feel that anyone that wants to fling the word "cheater" at the Cardinals right now is pretty justified.... Sadly....

Good points. The only problem I have with the sanctions is something Fors already mentioned. Why do the Astros get the Cardinals picks? You're also punishing the other four teams in the AL West who have done nothing wrong. Maybe punishing isn't the right word, but you're certainly skewing the competitive balance of the division. 
Then again, the Cardinals and the Astros aren't the only two teams in baseball, and whatever punishment is levied is going to impact the other 28 in some fashion.

artie_fufkin wrote:

alz wrote:

I try to view that punishment in this light. 

If the Cubs did it to us, would the punishment be fair? Would I believe it was a rogue guy and not something the club benefited from?

In that sense, I think the fine and the draft picks are fair. A member of the Cardinals staff cheated, it reflects on the Cardinals as a team, and they just have to put their heads down and outlive the occurrence. But I feel that anyone that wants to fling the word "cheater" at the Cardinals right now is pretty justified.... Sadly....

Good points. The only problem I have with the sanctions is something Fors already mentioned. Why do the Astros get the Cardinals picks? You're also punishing the other four teams in the AL West who have done nothing wrong. Maybe punishing isn't the right word, but you're certainly skewing the competitive balance of the division. 
Then again, the Cardinals and the Astros aren't the only two teams in baseball, and whatever punishment is levied is going to impact the other 28 in some fashion.

I suppose the justification for that decision would be that the astros were unfairly disadvantaged by the Cardinals stealing there info.  Idk if i buy that but i assume thats the reasoning.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

In fairness, the label fits.  Manfred went out of his way to point out that the wrongdoing was confined to Correa, but that's a little difficult for me to believe.  I'm not saying Moz instructed him to do it or that it was an elaborate scheme within the organization, but I find it tough to swallow that Correa did this by himself for 2-plus years and no one else within the organization knew about it.

Much more likely, IMO, that Correa took the fall because he has a golden parachute waiting for him when he gets out of prison, and Manfred was willing to accept that story line because no one else was criminally charged and it minimizes the damage to Dewitt who supported Manfred's push for commissioner.

I don't know what kind of golden parachute the Cardinals can offer Correa once he's out of prison. He's banned from baseball for life. His file is in the same manila folder as Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. I'm not sure DeWitt can even hire Correa as a bartender at Ballpark Village.
But, yeah, the notion Correa was hacking the Astros for better than two years and didn't tell anyone else strains credulity. 

If correa took the fall for others high in the Cardinals organization and kept his mouth shut about it....serves 4 years in prison and keeps it all to himself....well i think there is going to be a locker at a train station containing a duffel bag with his name on it.

Yeah, Maybe. I s'pose. What store does he go to with the duffel bag to buy back his reputation? Eventually, people will forget about him and he'll probably get another job making more money than I ever will and move on with his life, but the Cardinals' image will always be tarnished. The more I think about this, the more I struggle with it. I've been criticizing the Patriots for their tactics for years. How do I defend the Cardinals? I can't. The only difference is the Cardinals cooperated with the investigation and admitted they messed up, while the Patriots jumped up and down like a spoiled child proclaiming their innocence, but does that really make a difference? Especially if Correa did in fact take the fall to protect upper management, a notion which seems entirely plausible. I had to think twice before I wore my Cardinals' hat to the gym tonight. Do I really want to keep supporting this team?

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