Please get Tsunamy out of this game.

So these guys are listed as out of options;


Greg Garcia, Tyler Lyons, Miguel Socolovich

So once they are on the major league team they are either there to stay or have to go through waivers?

I doubt any of those 3 would pass

I was going to edit it and say Miguel might pass through waivers.  He has a seth maness feel about him.  Nothing overly impressive, low ceiling but somehow effective. 

Garcia is a good player.  Imo underrated in a descalso type way.  He isnt a difference maker but a great guy to have on the roster. 

Lyons is left handed and breathing.  That by itself is enough.

The first "Marine layer" reference of the WBC. One night later than I expected.

Father Time has come after Wainwright . He's beginning to smell like burnt toast.

His fastball is below average and uncle Charlie is more like aunt Charlotte

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

His fastball is below average and uncle Charlie is more like aunt Charlotte

You woke up at 3 a.m. to write this?
 

Lol, i wish

Looks like the matheny vs wong saga got a little deeper.  On one hand this is matheny adding to the distrust by being critical of wong.  However my opinion is that if wong doesnt want platooned then play to a level that disallows matheny the ablity to do so.  Also, this is sort of a whiny bitch move by wong.  I know the team issues with mikes guys vs the others but wong needs to know his role.

I agree the club has mishandled wong.  I also agree i wouldnt want wong to accept being a platoon player.

Im lumping wong into the early 20 year old population that expects a title, position, recognition or special allowances base on the fact that they simply exist.  I look at gyorko and see a player that hit 30 bombs and has proven himself over the course of his career as an effected player at multiple positions.  His statement in reference to his role on the team is doing whatever the team needs him to do.  Peralta was dethroned as the starting ss by a kid.  He changed positions and his comments this spring about competition with gyorko was that he hoped to win the starting job but would do whatever helped the team win.  Wong finds out matheny made a comment about platooning him and he states:



"You know what, that's out of my control," Wong said before the Cardinals played the Marlins in a Grapefruit League game at Roger Dean Stadium. "I was told that I was going to be the starting second baseman. If that's what they want to do, then that's their decision. The thing with me, and my frustrations is that, I think when you give someone a contract and you expect him to be the guy, you should have belief in that guy. It's hard when you don't feel that belief. But it is what it is. If that's the case, then I'll be ready to do what I gotta do to help the team win."

"I don't think you give somebody a contract for no reason," Wong said. "When you are given a contract, you are expected to get a chance to work through some things and figure yourself out. Josh Donaldson, Jose Bautista, all these guys never figured their stuff out until later on down the road. It's the big leagues. It's tough, man. For me, the biggest thing is I just need people to have my back. When that comes, it will be good. But, I think right now, it's just staying with my play, understanding I'm working toward getting myself more consistent, understanding what kind of player I can be. If that's going to be with another team, so be it."

"One hundred percent," he said. "One hundred percent. I don't want to be here wasting my time. I know what kind of player I am. If I don't have the belief here, then I'll go somewhere else."



So for my fifty cents id say his role is to act like a selfless 24 year old kid who should be grateful to have the contract he has for what little he has proven.  When faced with advertise he should strive to do better, not act like his career is owed to him.  I think wong was shafted by bus trips to memphis and odd playing time.  That doesnt mean i think he is above a calculated platoon or split playing time.  Him blaming matheny (i suppose) for his failure by mathenys not believing in him is some pussy shit.

With the progress garcia shown last year i wouldnt rule out his ablity to take at bats from wong.  At least he has shown the ablity to get on base. 

Imo wong should have been traded, not extended.  The team isnt any better because of him.  The only positive to him is the belief that he can be better then what he has shown.  I think he is what he is at this point.  Like the duck saying.  If it quacks like a duck, if it walks like a duck....its probably a duck.

I'll be the first to stand up and say I don't think the Cardinals--Matheny in particular--have handled Wong's situation very well.  With that said, Wong comes across as an idiot to complain given his lack of production, his poor spring training, and the fact that the guy with whom he's likely to platoon hit 30 HR last season.

Wong may not be at a Rasmus-level of dumb, but his comments certainly suggest he's not far from it.  Comparing himself to Bautista and Donaldson is laughable.

Not to mention, his retraction notwithstanding, St. Louis fans aren't likely to take real kindly to a player demanding a trade.  The BFIB are a sensitive bunch to begin with.  If they sense Wong doesn't want to be here, they'll turn on him, and if that happens it's pretty apparent that Wong's psyche is too fragile to handle fan rejection.

If they haven't reached the breaking point, it's pretty close.  It wouldn't surprise me if Wong finishes 2017 in another uniform.

Edited to add- the sports drive-time radio program with Chris Duncan and Brad Thompson is debating whether Wong will be booed on Opening Day. If that happens he might go 0 for April

Last edited by forsberg_us (3/28/2017 5:39 pm)

"What is the difference between stupidity and generational entitlement?"

Good question. I suppose the latter refers to a young person who thinks the world owes him. The former can refer to a person of any age.

OK, my turn. What is "boo-bagging?"