Jim Palmer has already mispronounced four names.

Need to get more than two runs out of that.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Need to get more than two runs out of that.

 
The Cardinals have rally killers ?

Wondering if the blowpen can get nine outs without giving up seven runs.

Bottom of the order having a good night ...

forsberg_us wrote:

Heard a stat this morning on Bernie's radio show--the Cardinals have given up the 2nd most runs in MLB after the 7th inning and have scored the fewest runs in MLB after the 7th.

I'm not positive, but I think that's bad.

You're just being negative.

Another example of how the stat boys and the agents screw up baseball.  For a relief pitcher, that home run Tui gave up will really look bad for his stats.  But that is exactly the way to pitch with a 9 or 10 run lead.  Take a few risks to get a strike out or an out on a batted ball.  Don't give up walks, whatever you do.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

McLaughlin after Molina lines into a double play: "Nothing you can do about that."
Yes, there is. Molina can not swing at the prior pitch, which was a foot inside and six inches low, and take a walk to load the bases.

I know carps placement in the lineup is an annoyance to you, what about molinas?

It sure as hell is for me.  Both of them are. I'd like to see Matheny, with Mo's acceptance, announce that they were going to do a speed test for position players and that the slowest 7 guys (1st to 3d) would be traded to San Diego or Detroit.  (Too bad MLB doesn't have a team in Buffalo)

Unfortunately, Molina's no trade would probably keep him out of the trials.
 

Mags wrote:

Another example of how the stat boys and the agents screw up baseball.  For a relief pitcher, that home run Tui gave up will really look bad for his stats.  But that is exactly the way to pitch with a 9 or 10 run lead.  Take a few risks to get a strike out or an out on a batted ball.  Don't give up walks, whatever you do.

I don't disagree, but what bothered me was Tui's response to the home run. His head went down, he started pawing the dirt on the mound and went back to trying to pick corners. I've noticed a lot of the Cardinals' young pitchers do that. Even Cecil does it. I don't know if it's a cultural thing and someone in the dugout thinks he's baseball's Great Santini or they just have a bunch of pitchers with fragile psyches.
McCarver said something prescient the other night about Rosenthal in that if Rosenthal could bat against Rosenthal, he'd find out how tough he is to hit. Same thing applies to Tuivailala. He's got a 97 mph fastball and a good slider, as long as he doesn't try to overthrow it. Throw strikes, man. If someone clobbers one 430 feet, shit happens. Cy Young gave up a home run every once in a while, and they still named an award after him.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

McLaughlin after Molina lines into a double play: "Nothing you can do about that."
Yes, there is. Molina can not swing at the prior pitch, which was a foot inside and six inches low, and take a walk to load the bases.

I know carps placement in the lineup is an annoyance to you, what about molinas?

I'm not sure there's an equivalency. Molina's stats are fairly consistent no matter where he hits in the lineup. He hits where he hits in the order this year because the team doesn't have a true three, four or five hitter. On a good team, Molina would hit seventh or eighth.
I've never seen a situation like Carpenter's. At least in an adult. If he doesn't bat leadoff, he pouts like a spoiled girl who didn't get a new pony for her Quinceanera.

My arguement is that diaz or pham would be better suited for the 5th position.  Pham and diaz both, shockingly, have hit into more dp then molina but i still think thier speed is a quality that would be better suited higher in the lineup.  Mostly their slugging percentage is much better then molinas.  It seems to me that molina is getting the good ol'boys treatment.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

I'm not sure there's an equivalency. Molina's stats are fairly consistent no matter where he hits in the lineup. He hits where he hits in the order this year because the team doesn't have a true three, four or five hitter. On a good team, Molina would hit seventh or eighth.
I've never seen a situation like Carpenter's. At least in an adult. If he doesn't bat leadoff, he pouts like a spoiled girl who didn't get a new pony for her Quinceanera.

My arguement is that diaz or pham would be better suited for the 5th position. Pham and diaz both, shockingly, have hit into more dp then molina but i still think thier speed is a quality that would be better suited higher in the lineup. Mostly their slugging percentage is much better then molinas. It seems to me that molina is getting the good ol'boys treatment.

The problem with hitting Diaz higher in the order is his OBP. He's recognition of the strike zone appears to me to have regressed. As for Pham, on a good team he's a fourth or fifth outfielder, but if I'm going to use him in the lineup, I'd probably bat him second, behind Fowler (who, BTW, has been a pro about being dropped to second in the order. I don't think he's complained a bit about it). 

With respect to Diaz, I have had the same impression.  Last season, I was comparing him with a young Alvin Dark.  This year he's been more like a right-handed Kolten Wong.

I fully agree with your assessment of Fowler's maturity.  I saw an interview with him a couple of days ago and he wasn't quite a gushy with enthusiasm as I'm used to seeing but what is coming out of his mouth is a lot more professional that what we've heard from Carpenter the past 2 or 3 years.  And his performance shows that he's certainly not sulking.

Incidentally, I do like the idea of Diaz as a no. 2 hitter if he'll get his head on straight.
 

APIAD wrote:

He is .004 points behind molina in OBP

And which one would you rather have on base?  With Pham hitting?