A classic example of selfish baseball.  Grichuk has only 1 swing, whether a runner in scoring position with two out or not.  Is the only way he can pick up a runner is by hitting a home run or a ball off the fence in left?

That can't happen. It just can't.

That can't happen either.

Why not have Wainwright steal here?

Ok, pitchers don't catch pop ups because they have to come down off the mound. You'd think a guy who played baseball for 20 years would know that.

You guys can thank me for this one.  A few days ago, a friend sent the following link to me and others:

http://www.12up.com/posts/5210171-4-cardinals-who-should-get-traded-at-the-deadline?a_aid=36534

I postponed replying until early this morning, saying that I originally had some reservations about trading DeJong but had become convinced it would be a good idea.

forsberg_us wrote:

Mags wrote:

You guys can thank me for this one.  A few days ago, a friend sent the following link to me and others:

http://www.12up.com/posts/5210171-4-cardinals-who-should-get-traded-at-the-deadline?a_aid=36534

I postponed replying until early this morning, saying that I originally had some reservations about trading DeJong but had become convinced it would be a good idea.

Don't have a problem with any of those named, but I would include Oh and Carpenter among those I would strongly consider moving.

Nor would I.  I'd have Carpenter at the top of the list.

What do you think is going on with DeJong?  For the past couple of years, I have thought of him as the Cards' 3d baseman of the future.and, if Gyroko weren't having the kind of year that he is, I would be saying "the future is now," to quote one of my least favorite humans.
 

Good luck to Moz Jr trying to trade a .235 hitter who has to bat leadoff despite an absence of speed, no defensive position and guaranteed another $35 million over the next 2 1/2 years.

APIAD wrote:

Mags wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Don't have a problem with any of those named, but I would include Oh and Carpenter among those I would strongly consider moving.

Nor would I.  I'd have Carpenter at the top of the list.

What do you think is going on with DeJong?  For the past couple of years, I have thought of him as the Cards' 3d baseman of the future.and, if Gyroko weren't having the kind of year that he is, I would be saying "the future is now," to quote one of my least favorite humans.
 

Not sure whats going on with him. High strike outs and low walks is a down side but unlike diaz his minor league numbers and major league numbers have been on par with eachother. I really dont know what you do with him. Wong, other then being injuried, is showing he might become the player he thinks he is. I find it hard to want gyorko gone when he is the only middle of the order bat on this team. Building towards 2018, and acknowledging the Cardinals free agent failures it is hard to trade gyorko imo. Where dejong ranks is something i havent got figured out. At the moment i think the best thing the cards can do is whats been mentioned, trade carp. Go with an infield of voit, wong, dejong and gyorko.

I don't think there is a chance in hell that Babe Wong will ever become the player he thinks he is.  But it would be a real asset to the Cards if he will become the player he can and should be.  And he has shown signs of the latter in recent games.

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APIAD wrote:

Carp has around a .950 ops in the last month. I think there would be takers

His OPS is high because draws a ton of walks. Which ordinarily would be fine. Except once he gets on, he's station-to-station. Take Saturday's game. He draws a 1-out walk with DeJong on second. Piscotty follows with a single to right field. DeJong scores, but Carpenter only makes it to second because he's as slow as a glacier. Pham follows with a groundout that would have scored Carpenter if he had made it to third on Piscotty's single. The Cardinals settle for one run instead of a second run that would have given them a much more comfortable 4-1 lead.
Then there's yesterday's game. Carpenter leads off the first inning with a double, but only advances to third when Pham hits a single to center. Fowler follows with a soft ground ball to third, but Carpenter is too slow to try for home. Granted, he eventually scores when Gyorko follows with a groundout, but it could have been a much bigger inning. 

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Carp has around a .950 ops in the last month. I think there would be takers

His OPS is high because draws a ton of walks. Which ordinarily would be fine. Except once he gets on, he's station-to-station. Take Saturday's game. He draws a 1-out walk with DeJong on second. Piscotty follows with a single to right field. DeJong scores, but Carpenter only makes it to second because he's as slow as a glacier. Pham follows with a groundout that would have scored Carpenter if he had made it to third on Piscotty's single. The Cardinals settle for one run instead of a second run that would have given them a much more comfortable 4-1 lead.
Then there's yesterday's game. Carpenter leads off the first inning with a double, but only advances to third when Pham hits a single to center. Fowler follows with a soft ground ball to third, but Carpenter is too slow to try for home. Granted, he eventually scores when Gyorko follows with a groundout, but it could have been a much bigger inning. 

No arguement on his shortcomings but i have very little doubt that teams would be interested. His pay is a plus. He can play 3 infield positions and an AL team could dh him. In the last month he has hit 3hr, 10 doubles and drove in 10 runs. Id like to see him traded because of how he plays but he is also a proven commodity that i believe many teams would love to have. I post the other day that the Yankees need a first baseman.

But do they need a lead-off hitter?

I nevertheless agree with you that there is probably some GM out there who will pick him up because of those stats.  Besides, what's a few million dollars spent if it looks to fans like you are going after a winner?