forsberg_us wrote:

Maloney out as 3B coach

Mueller out as Asst. Hitting Coach

Pop Warner added to staff

Peralta DFA'd

This is like... this is like... this is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic (credit to Max for use of his line).

Not to take anything away from Max, but i first heard that reference to deck chairs and the Titanic during the early summer of 1977 when some government official was testifying during the confirmation hearings on the Jimmy Carter's nomination of Bert Lance to be head of OMB.  It was at the time, for the Carter administration, a rather embarrassing confession of the state of things and got a lot of play in the press.
I was pleased to hear Mo confess that his own job might not be so secure. 

 

Last edited by Mags (6/09/2017 4:04 pm)

Id say watcha is on the clock as well.  If he bombs tonight i look for a change in his status.  Dl stint, move to the billpen.. something.

Her is my question, and i realize it is extreme.  More extreme then reality provides.  If the team was completely gutted, more or less, at the deadline and during the offseason how much worst off would they be in 2018 and how much better would they be in 2019.  If the lineup looked like this in 2018 would it be competitive because i think it would be just as or more competitive then the 2017 cardinals.

Cf- siera
Lf - bader
Rf - piscotty
2b - dejong
1b - wisdom
C - molina 70% - kelly 30%
3b - garcia
Ss - diaz

Of course all of this wouldnt happen.  I do think now is the opprotune time to move some players.

Grichuk- sounds like he is hitting well in memphis.  If he comes to STL and hits a little id deal him.  Even in Memphis he is striking out to much.  Id sell him before the appeal fades again

Pham- i like him but he is do for a season ending injury any second.  His value has never been higher.

Piscotty - hanging on to piscotty would not hurt my feelings.  He is young enough to hit his prime just as the cards reboot.  However i think teams would be interest in him and I think he is a repeated type of player in the cardinals system.

Fowler - probably has no trade protection and i didnt dislike the signing at the time.  Fowler clearly isnt the future and the cards are not going to be competitive soon.  Id think a better fit would be in both thd club and players benefit.

Gyorko and wong - again they is are players i wouldnt mind them keeping.  However these two players are peeking in value.  Both have team friendly contracts.  A haul could be had.

Carp - he is cardinals, seemingly, signature player.  He would make a headline splash for the team that trades for him.  Im like artie, unimpressed.

Alot of the same things could be said about the pitching staff as players like Rosenthal, oh and lynn could be seen as valuable.

I take VEB opinion on dealing players.  Cardinals could have a major league best farm system.  The money they shed could be used after the 2018 season to sign multiple free agence to add to the young roster.  The system could net 10 to 15 minor league prospects all with decent major league potential from these players.

Maybe Dale Sveum is available.

Adams is killing the ball for a different team because mo wasnt able to maximize his ablity

APIAD wrote:

"The Cardinals are set to promote John Mozeliak from general manager to president of baseball operations, while assistant GM Mike Girsch will be promoted to the post of general manager,"


I have no clue what this even means other then re-shuffling. Odd to throw guys bones during a horrible year.

I think it's what is called being kicked up stairs.  If so, it's the best move the Cards have made since 2011 but I wish they were firing him. 
 

don.rob11 wrote:

So is he still in charge or the new guy ?

Nothing has changed but the letter head

I guess Sierra could have homered in every game , bat .500, and steal 30 bases , and they had no plans for him to stay .....

Gonzalez traded to the Mariners for of tyler o neill.

These latest moves suggest to me that there will be some trades coming among the current crop of Cardinal outfielders.  I can't believe that O'Neill is a better prospect than Bader but apparently he is rated higher.  This is further evidence to me that they are going to be aggressively shopping Grichuk, and perhaps even Piscotty.  Pham is easily their most valuable outfielder but he is so damn fragile that they can't let anyone else go without having a lot of confidence in their depth.  Also, they must be hoping that Grichuk will do something to enhance his trade value.

I'm happy for Gonzales.  I don't think he could have been help to the Cardinals with Duke coming back so strong and the starting pitching going as well as it has been.

I really like what I've seen of Sierra but I agree with giving him more time in the minors.  His BA is misleading.  I've only seen him hit the ball on the nose a couple of times.  Until he proves he can drive the ball, other teams will be making adjustments that will take away some of those infield singles and and bloop hits.  Also, it seems pretty clear that he needs more work on stealing bases.  I don't think he'll get that in St. Louis.

There are going to be more trades soon.  Or at least some roster moves off the 40 man roster.

Right now they have no openings on the 40 man and little flexibility that I can see.  Molina and Kelly are now the only catchers on the 40.  What are the odds that neither one will go on the DL for at least 10 days before the end of the season?

Also, I have to believe that they will want to call up either Adolis Garcia or Bader, or both, in September.  And possibly O'Neill.  I suspect they are doing some serious shopping with Grichuk, Piscotty, and J. Martinez.  Not that I would expect Martinez to bring much.  I really like the guy but don't see him bringing a serious prospect.
In case no one has noticed, Garcia is hitting around .360 in 19 games since being called up to Memphis.  I know it's a small sample size but they were expecting a lot out of him once he got aclimated to American baseball.

 

Last edited by Mags (7/21/2017 10:40 pm)

I agree with everything said by both. 

Pham is in a position to sell high on....do it

Piscotty is probably handcuffed by his contract and down year.  It would be a contract dump.  I dont think thats needed yet.

Grichuk i believe has a little vaule.  Idk why the cards would waste much more time on him.

Sierra has to become more then a slappy speedster...juan pierre

Oneill is a player i think the cards did well on.  At 22 hr has a ton of power.  From what i see, he is the only middle of the order type bat in the system.  To fill that void and only give up Gonzalez i think is good.