Just once I'd like to know what Edmonds is talking about.

Hard to complain about that start from Leake.

And the tying run is in the on deck circle ....

The Cardinals continue to run the bases like a Chinese fire drill.

Apparently fundamentals were not a thing of importance at spring training ...

Edmonds: "Home runs make a team go."
He gets paid to say stuff like that.

don.rob11 wrote:

Apparently fundamentals were not a thing of importance at spring training ...

Here's a wrap on the Redbirds' win yesterday:

https://www.milb.com/redbirds/news/redbirds-move-to-65-35-with-7-5-win/c-244028642/t-196093376

They won tonight, which makes them 31 games over .500, and had no errors, which makes the streak of error-less games 12.  This is a team that has lost Voit, DeJong, and Kelly off the roster in recent weeks.  And Tommy Pham off the opening day roster.  I am convinced the problem has to do with the atmosphere created by the senior players.  I really like Wainwright but his comedy show in the dugout on days when he's not pitching doesn't set well with me.  At times, Molina seems to be a very selfish player on many occasions and not so on others.  Carpenter seems to think he's Ted Williams instead of a guy with no arm, no speed, terrible judgment, and under the illusion that he is such a great power hitter that he doesn't need to make any adjustments with runners on base..

Mags wrote:

don.rob11 wrote:

Apparently fundamentals were not a thing of importance at spring training ...

Here's a wrap on the Redbirds' win yesterday:

https://www.milb.com/redbirds/news/redbirds-move-to-65-35-with-7-5-win/c-244028642/t-196093376

They won tonight, which makes them 31 games over .500, and had no errors, which makes the streak of error-less games 12.  This is a team that has lost Voit, DeJong, and Kelly off the roster in recent weeks.  And Tommy Pham off the opening day roster.  I am convinced the problem has to do with the atmosphere created by the senior players.  I really like Wainwright but his comedy show in the dugout on days when he's not pitching doesn't set well with me.  At times, Molina seems to be a very selfish player on many occasions and not so on others.  Carpenter seems to think he's Ted Williams instead of a guy with no arm, no speed, terrible judgment, and under the illusion that he is such a great power hitter that he doesn't need to make any adjustments with runners on base..

I can't disagree with any of it, but I'd add the extension Moz gave to Molina before the season will go down as the worst contract in the history of the franchise, exceeding the Leake contract. Fouler can't be moved, they put too much faith in Piscotty and I doubt anyone will take Wong off their hands for anything substantial. I think they could trick someone desperate and get something in return for Carpenter. It seems like the most important statistics these days are walks and pitches per at bat, and those are the two remaining aspects of Carpenter's skill set.
 

APIAD wrote:

I think the cardinals have some players with value. They are not going to net a star or top prospect but i think they could have a top of the league farm system over night by adding mid level prospects. As far as what they lose, who cares. They need a gut job.

I think Lynn would yield some decent prospects, but that may say more about the dearth of quality pitching than it does about Lynn. He's not what I'd call a top of the rotation pitcher, but he tends to win games. Even though the Sabre nitwits don't put a lot of value into pitching wins, winning is still the objective of the sport.
I've become increasingly discouraged with Martinez. At some point, potential has to translate into performance, and he's yet to make the leap to the elite pitcher that he's capable of being. I acknowledge there have been issues this season with a lack of run support, but he still hasn't developed a pitch that can consistently get left-handed hitters out. 

APIAD wrote:

Im convinced carlos just isnt an ace pitcher. He will have his unhittable days but he isnt a guy that puts his team on his back every 5 days.

Scherzer, Kershaw and Sale are the three elite starting pitchers right now. Tsunamy's stuff is good enough for him to be in the next-level conversation, but as you say, he lacks consistency.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Mags wrote:

don.rob11 wrote:

Apparently fundamentals were not a thing of importance at spring training ...

Here's a wrap on the Redbirds' win yesterday:

https://www.milb.com/redbirds/news/redbirds-move-to-65-35-with-7-5-win/c-244028642/t-196093376

They won tonight, which makes them 31 games over .500, and had no errors, which makes the streak of error-less games 12.  This is a team that has lost Voit, DeJong, and Kelly off the roster in recent weeks.  And Tommy Pham off the opening day roster.  I am convinced the problem has to do with the atmosphere created by the senior players.  I really like Wainwright but his comedy show in the dugout on days when he's not pitching doesn't set well with me.  At times, Molina seems to be a very selfish player on many occasions and not so on others.  Carpenter seems to think he's Ted Williams instead of a guy with no arm, no speed, terrible judgment, and under the illusion that he is such a great power hitter that he doesn't need to make any adjustments with runners on base..

I can't disagree with any of it, but I'd add the extension Moz gave to Molina before the season will go down as the worst contract in the history of the franchise, exceeding the Leake contract. Fouler can't be moved, they put too much faith in Piscotty and I doubt anyone will take Wong off their hands for anything substantial. I think they could trick someone desperate and get something in return for Carpenter. It seems like the most important statistics these days are walks and pitches per at bat, and those are the two remaining aspects of Carpenter's skill set.
 

I agree with you completely regarding the Molina contract, especially in light of Kelly, whom I believe to have the potential to be a superstar team leader type, but they are going to piss away his best catcher-years backing up Molina.
Despite his performance yesterday, Leake's contract may rank a close 2d.  I think it is a 5 year contract.  Right now they have some promising young pitchers who need to be given a shot at the 5th slot next year or in 2019.:

At Memphis:  Weaver, Flaherty, Alex Reyes (DL)
At Springfield:  Dakota Hudson, Zach Gallen, Austin Gomber, Matt Pearce, Sandy Alcantara.

Probably the two best starters at Memphis for the early weeks of the season were Daniel Poncedeleon and Arturo Reyes.  Both have spent a lot of time on the DL Poncedeleon suffered a dreadful beaning at Iowa over a month ago.  He survived, barely, but in my own mind there's a question as to whether he'll ever take the mound again.  I think Reyes has arm problems.  Both have proved to be excellent pitchers, without what scouts call a high upside.
I was really high on Gomber last year (the only lefty among them) but he's really failed to improve this year.  In fact he may have been better last year.

Gallen and Pearce each did pretty good in brief call-ups to Memphis.
 

APIAD wrote:

Consistently and that it factor.  Maybe you dont have to have that bulldog attitude to be an ace.  I sort of think you do.  When Martinez is out there i dont get the sense that it is war to him.  He lacks the urgency required to be an ace.  Like waino, his in dugout games are annoying.  It works on a winning team but when your guy gets picked off first, people are throwing to the wrong base, all the other horrible shit that goes on every night and you look in the dugout and booze the blue haired clown is flicking boogers at the wall it is unsettling. 

Waino had it at one point but since his fall from top of the league pitcher he has lost that. Watching the 2016 and 2017 cardinals, i miss carp and to a lot lesser degree lackey.  Somebody has to hold people accountable.  Somebody needs to get in somebodies ass and hold them responsible.  Mathenys stoic Christian personality makes me sick.  Get pissed, throw some shit, meet somebody at the top of the dugout step and chew their fucking ass. Call them out on "miked up" or whatever they call his pussified post game interview.  Idk how you watch this team every night and not get pissed. 

If you are not going to gut this team and want to make as little change as possible id fire mathenys ass right off the bat and hire a manager with some balls.  This team also needs a resident asshole.

 
Can't disagree with any of that, either. If they need an asshole, I'm available.