APIAD wrote:

I agree with tk, wherever the fuck he is....the bullpen is a crapshoot. If you get a good year from a reliever he is likely to be bad the next. Hopefully that is the case with Cecil.

Im sort of confused about the idea of signing a veteran starter to a two year deal. I could see a one year deal just to bandaid that 5th spot, shuffle the veteran to long relief if the younger guys push their way in or just eat the contract. Still it is a little confusing to me as to why they traded leak if that put them right back in the market for a 4 era/200 inning guy. Idk i suppose they got oniell out of it and even picking up the 17mill on leaks contract they will likely sign the veteran for less the would have been owed to leak. Seems sort of like trading your ford truck for a dodge because the dodge has better tires. Alot of effort for slight gain.

I didn't see TK's comment, or maybe I just didn't know it was him, but many years ago I concluded that giving up big bucks or top prospects for pitchers of any stripe was a mistake.  Perhaps that was because so many big name signings st the time never seemed to turn out.  Andy Messersmith and Don Gullett are 2 names that come readily to mind.  Since then, I'm not so sure but I suspect I would agree with what TK wrote.

Regarding Leake, I couldn't be more pleased with that trade.  Considering the trajectory he'd established in St. Louis, I'd rather see them filling his slot with some AA pitcher that they are willing to sacrifice.  But their projected rotation is not just a little bit suspect.  Wainwright is the only one of those guys that has shown he can pitch like a 1 or 2 starter for an entire season and I'll be pleased if he has an ERA under 5 by June 15.

As far as trades go, I'm not excited about them bringing in Stanton at any cost.  I will be really surprised if Carson Kelly goes to Spring training with the Cards.  For his sake, I'd like to see him in Houston and they might have some serious prospects to get in return.

Hosmer is definitely a guy that I'd like to see them sign but I fear Fors is right about about Carpenter being a fixture (especially when he's on base) and he becomes even more of a liability if he's playing anywhere except first.  Maybe they can stick him in left and let the pitching staff set an all time high in extra base hits surrendered.

It would help if the St. Louis fans would get used to the idea (and bring ownership along with them) that they aren't entitled to 100 wins every year.
 

I agree mags.  They will sign a guy that they already have in the rotation more or less.  Waino needs to be the 5th guy and the addition needs to be closer to the top.  Let injuries and performance decide the odd man out

Crossing my fingers

I think there was a little concern last year because people stop coming through the gate.

"Cardinals are facing a 40-man roster logjam in advance of next month’s Rule 5 draft. With the need to finalize his 40-man by the Nov. 20 deadline, president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told Goold that the team may “consider moving two roster players for one. That kind of thing. We have to be open to try." "

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

"Cardinals are facing a 40-man roster logjam in advance of next month’s Rule 5 draft. With the need to finalize his 40-man by the Nov. 20 deadline, president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told Goold that the team may “consider moving two roster players for one. That kind of thing. We have to be open to try." "

How about Carpenter and Grichuk for Mike Trout?

Rec.

With Dusty Baker taking over for Scossica. 
 

Mags wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

"Cardinals are facing a 40-man roster logjam in advance of next month’s Rule 5 draft. With the need to finalize his 40-man by the Nov. 20 deadline, president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told Goold that the team may “consider moving two roster players for one. That kind of thing. We have to be open to try." "

How about Carpenter and Grichuk for Mike Trout?

Rec.

With Dusty Baker taking over for Scossica. 
 

 
Well done, sir. The only unfortunate part is the Angels aren't in the Cardinals' division.

artie_fufkin wrote:

JV wrote:

Well, the 40-man just got smaller. Bye, bye, Rosie. http://fox2now.com/2017/11/06/cardinals-release-veteran-rhp-trevor-rosenthal/

Posey was like an Italian sports car. Looks real nice and you dig the speed, but the maintenance was barely worth it.

Si.

So, how long does Lynn have to reject the QO? Is it accurate to say the 40-man just got four men lighter?

Personally id like the cards to sign rosenthal to a 2 year deal.  Basically a one year deal in 2019.

I can't imagine for the life of me why they wouldn't entertain substantive negotiations with Lynn. But then I remember this is an organization that had enough hubris to believe in 2007 it could make a pitcher with a 59-79 career record into a number two starter because they were, you know, smarter than everyone else.

Tony Larussa is at my job today. I have to make a 5.00 animal donation, then I can meet him, snap a picture, shake his hand, and beg him to take his old job back. I'm sure it will end well.

Tucker Barnhart wins the Gold Glove over Molina and Posey. I don't think it's necessarily a bad decision, and I'm not sure Yadi was even worthy of a nomination, but the Reds announcers are going to talk about Barnhart next year like he's the second coming of Johnny Bench.

Carlos Beltran retires ...

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/261695724/carlos-beltran-retires-after-20-year-career/