Accept trade to cardinals or be on a gutted team?

APIAD wrote:

And i wonder what that means for the other 3 middle of the order outfielders on the team.

Do the Cardinals have 3 middle of the order outfielders on the team?

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

And i wonder what that means for the other 3 middle of the order outfielders on the team.

Do the Cardinals have 3 middle of the order outfielders on the team?

I was speaking of the marlins and Jeters comment that stanton would be the one start on the team.  I should have said 2 middle of the order outfield bats (Yelich and Ozuna).  Question being is this statement a clue that the marlin plan to sell off their whole outfield?

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

And i wonder what that means for the other 3 middle of the order outfielders on the team.

Do the Cardinals have 3 middle of the order outfielders on the team?

I was speaking of the marlins and Jeters comment that stanton would be the one start on the team.  I should have said 2 middle of the order outfield bats (Yelich and Ozuna).  Question being is this statement a clue that the marlin plan to sell off their whole outfield?

Yeah, I misunderstood you. I think the Marlins have suggested that anyone’s available. If they kept Stanton, then i think they’d trade the other two.

Sounds like the giants people are meeting with stantons people

Diaz to blue jays for minor leaguer

APIAD wrote:

An article i read the other day stated the Marlins expect the buyer of stanton to take his full price tag and take dee gordans contract. Idk if thats true. Seems more likely they would attach him to one of the others. Never the less i wouldnt be disappointed to land one of the others for the right price....not as high as stanton of course.

If giving up prospects/players - specifically Reyes - is the primary issue, then I'm willing to cut the Cardinals some slack here. If he stays healthy, Reyes is going to be a star for a long time.
If their primary issue is money, I'm not going to be forgiving at all.
 

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

An article i read the other day stated the Marlins expect the buyer of stanton to take his full price tag and take dee gordans contract. Idk if thats true. Seems more likely they would attach him to one of the others. Never the less i wouldnt be disappointed to land one of the others for the right price....not as high as stanton of course.

If giving up prospects/players - specifically Reyes - is the primary issue, then I'm willing to cut the Cardinals some slack here. If he stays healthy, Reyes is going to be a star for a long time.
If their primary issue is money, I'm not going to be forgiving at all.
 

From all accounts I've read, it's sounds like the Marlins are focused on Alcantara.  I haven't seen any other names, though I'm sure there are at least 2-3 others (or more) being thrown around.

I wish I shared the same optimism about Reyes as you do.  Until he stops walking a batter every other inning, I'm just not that convinced.  Feels a little like Rich Harden--great stuff, but rarely pitched more than 5 innings because he was already over 100 pitches by that time.

I'll grant you control is an issue, but he's still only 23 and has pitched less than 500 innings as a professional. Anytime a young pitcher with prodigious talent has control problems, there's an inevitable and unfair comparison to Koufax. But I think if this kid puts it all together like Koufax did, he could be that good. This isn't Jonathan Papelbon humping up to throw a couple 100 mph fastballs over the course of an inning. Reyes hits 100 and looks like he's barely breaking a sweat.
 

forsberg_us wrote:

There was a rumor circulating on talk show radio that the Cardinals offer was Wacha, Alcantara and Jose Martinez

No idea if it’s true, but that sort of package wouldn’t trouble me much.

Or at all.  Id assume with the suprising lack of prospect power in 2 out of 3 of the names that the cards would take the full contract.

APIAD wrote:

I cant believe the cards have the best deal with these 3 players. One is a top prospect, no debate. Martinez doesnt help the marlins rebuild at all. Not even a long shot chance. He is a right now, next 2 years impact as a marginal player. Wachas time in the league is peaking or has peaked. Idk, i assume the Marlins would flip them but id still have picked other opinions.

Reportedly the Giants have offered Joe Panik and two prospects, neither of whom are in Baseball America's top 100 prospects.  One is a 1B/OF who is already 24, has marginal power (24 HR last season) but also struck out more than once every four at bats while playing at AA and AAA and supposedly can't play defense adequately anywhere.  The other is a 24 year old pitcher who posted an ERA of 5 at AAA last year.

If rumors about the 2 trade packages are correct, the Cardinals offer is much better.

Cardinals signed a pitcher from Japan who once ate a live lizard:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/cardinals-sign-pitcher-mikolas-after-his-strong-turn-as-a/article_8d5b83a8-501c-5f23-ba8d-bd479116ce82.html

Last edited by artie_fufkin (12/05/2017 1:00 pm)

artie_fufkin wrote:

Cardinals signed a pitcher from Japan who once ate a live lizard:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/cardinals-sign-pitcher-mikolas-after-his-strong-turn-as-a/article_8d5b83a8-501c-5f23-ba8d-bd479116ce82.html

For $14 - $16 Million, he can afford a dinosaur or 2.