artie_fufkin wrote:

JV wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Cardinals signed a pitcher from Japan who once ate a live lizard:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/cardinals-sign-pitcher-mikolas-after-his-strong-turn-as-a/article_8d5b83a8-501c-5f23-ba8d-bd479116ce82.html

For $14 - $16 Million, he can afford a dinosaur or 2.

Haven't heard much from Godzilla since he went over there, have you?

"Godzilla versus Mikolas" has a nice ring to it!

His strikeouts are up and his walk total's down,
And it lands him a ticket to Cardinal town
MIKOLAS!

artie_fufkin wrote:

JV wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Haven't heard much from Godzilla since he went over there, have you?

"Godzilla versus Mikolas" has a nice ring to it!

His strikeouts are up and his walk total's down,
And it lands him a ticket to Cardinal town
MIKOLAS!

History shows again and again
That pitcher's win totals are the folly of man

 

Much like fixed fortifications?
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

Mags wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

History shows again and again
That pitcher's win totals are the folly of man

 

Much like fixed fortifications?
 

I thought the proper nomenclature in that instance is "monuments to stupidity?"

You are correct, precisely speaking.

It's been a couple of weeks since I last watched the scene.
 

I'm starting to get past the point of caring about the Giancarlo Stanton drama and where he plays baseball next year or after. This is getting LeBron James-ish or like a bad reality TV show. Paraphrasing Billy Bob Thornton in "Bad Santa": Pick one. Or don't. I don't give a fuck.

Last edited by artie_fufkin (12/07/2017 9:40 am)

"I'm going to predict that the trade for Stanton goes through and that the Cards give up Kelly, O'Neal, Alcantara, and Flaherty."

It's been reported that the Cardinals are willing to take on most of Stanton's contract.  They aren't giving up 3 top 100 prospects and Alcantara and taking on the whole contract.  Plus there's no reason to offer that much.  The Giants only have 1 top 100 prospect in their entire system and he's rated lower than Flaherty and Kelly.  

"I would prefer not to see the Cards take on the bulk of Stanton's salary"

Just curious why.  Is it that you don't like Stanton or that you wouldn't pay any player that amount of money?  The reason I ask is that if you tell yourself that you aren't willing to pay close to $30M for a player, then you've just ruled out any chance of ever having one of the top players in the game.  Wait until next off-season when Machado, Harper and probably Kershaw (among others) hit the market.  I don't know that any of them will get $40M/year, but $35M/yr is likely.  Assuming he doesn't opt out (and it's likely he will), the final years of Stanton's deal will probably be what it costs to get a player like Dexter Fowler.  

"I'm starting to get past the point of caring about the Giancarlo Stanton drama and where he plays baseball next year or after."

I suspect a lot of people share that sentiment.

Last edited by forsberg_us (12/07/2017 11:57 am)

"Assuming he doesn't opt out (and it's likely he will), the final years of Stanton's deal will probably be what it costs to get a player like Dexter Fowler.  "

It would be interesting to see who would be in the mix if it was known for sure stanton would opt out.  That would change the whole deal.  Id say 90% of the league would be willing to empty their farm system.

Not sure what the giants are planning on doing as far as rebuilding but if stanton wants a win now team with the idea of opting out i years i dont thin the giants fit.  Imo he is trying to get the dodgers to submit a trade the marlins will take.

forsberg_us wrote:

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"I would prefer not to see the Cards take on the bulk of Stanton's salary"

Just curious why.  Is it that you don't like Stanton or that you wouldn't pay any player that amount of money?  The reason I ask is that if you tell yourself that you aren't willing to pay close to $30M for a player, then you've just ruled out any chance of ever having one of the top players in the game.  Wait until next off-season when Machado, Harper and probably Kershaw (among others) hit the market.  I don't know that any of them will get $40M/year, but $35M/yr is likely.  Assuming he doesn't opt out (and it's likely he will), the final years of Stanton's deal will probably be what it costs to get a player like Dexter Fowler. .

First, let me say that your point about the number of prospects makes sense and I hope you are right.  Although I confess that I hope that Kelly gets traded to some team where he doesn't have to contend with the Harry Caray of Major League ballplayers.

As to your query, I think my motive is two fold (and there may be other reasons that I can't consciously recognize).  In part, the whole notion of so much money going into a form of entertainment that simply doesn't provide that much in return (in contrast to football, which is providing us with tons of data on the causes, consequences, and treatment of brain injuries) doesn't sit well with me.  But, in addition, I simply do not believe that the Cards can succeed in the long term by spending like a Steinbugger.  Their best hope in my view is to focus on scouting and drafting.

If it means losing a Trout or Pujols a couple after 4 or 5 years, that is simply the price I think they have to pay.
 

" But, in addition, I simply do not believe that the Cards can succeed in the long term by spending like a Steinbugger."

That's where you lose me.  No one is asking them to spend like the Yankees.  The Cardinals were 14th in MLB in Opening Day payroll last season ($151M).  Smack dab in the middle.  According to Forbes, they had over $40M in operating profit in 2016, and they just signed a new TV deal that adds $20M/year in revenue.  The most recent valuation put the current value of the team at $1.8B. 

If they added Stanton's contract, the projected Opening Day payroll would again be right at $150M.  Stanton would increase actual attendance (butts in the seats, not tickets sold) which increases revenue in the stadium and at Ballpark Village.  Even if you assume they spend another $10M on bullpen arms, operating profit probably increases to $50+M. 

Any notion that this organization can't take on Stanton's contract and remain successful is complete and utter bullshit.  They're printing money over there right now.  Plus, it's almost a certainty that Wainwright's $19.5M contract is replaced in 2019 with a pitcher from the minors.  That's another $19M in savings.


Take it for what it's worth, but the majority feeling among the coaching staff is that Kelly isn't major league ready.  The belief is that his bat isn't good enough and his defensive ability, though above-average isn't good enough to offset a negative offensive skill set.

Im not worried about dewitts money and i fully believe there is plenty.  However, i do worry about dewitts self imposed salary cap.

Bpv is a money making sob

Stanton say fuck off

"The Cardinals have announced that they have been informed that Marlins slugger Giancarlo Stanton will not waive his no-trade clause to approve a deal to St. Louis. Miami had put deals in place with both the Cards and the Giants, allowing Stanton to speak with both. It’s not certain at present whether a final decision has been issued with regard to the San Francisco organization.."

I love to be wrong:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/stanton-won-t-waive-no-trade-for-them-so-cardinals/article_8af64fbb-d219-517e-bd51-557521df5bc7.html

 

So excited to watch a laundry list of shitty players from Memphis. I’m sure it’ll work this year though.