Trading Martinez would signify that the team is in full rebuild mode.  I don't see Dewitt sending that signal.

I didn't know what his contract status was until I read that article. At ~$10 million per for the next three years, he's a bargain.
If you're talking to the Yankees, I think you start with Torres or Andujar and ask for at least one other prospect. But almost the entire strength of the Yankees' farm system is right-handed starting pitching, and that's not a need for the Cardinals right now.
 

APIAD wrote:

Im all for a rebuild. Id like to not recognize half the team.

There are at least a couple who ought to be playing with paper bags over their heads. 

It sounds like Shreve has rebounded after a rough start to this season. He seems to have grit. But it's hard to be impressed with bullpen additions since those guys seldom (never) turn out to be long-term assets. I guess, depending on how much international bonus money went along with Voit, it's possible this works out.

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JV wrote:

It sounds like Shreve has rebounded after a rough start to this season. He seems to have grit. But it's hard to be impressed with bullpen additions since those guys seldom (never) turn out to be long-term assets. I guess, depending on how much international bonus money went along with Voit, it's possible this works out.

I think it was TK that said, and it has stuck with me, that relief pitchers are rarely good 2 or 3 years in a row.

artie_fufkin wrote:

So the Cubs get Cole Hamels, the Brewers get Mike Moustakas and the Cardinals get ... Chasen Shreve.

OK, it's not a sexy move, but they're trying. Moz at least in theory addressed a need and gave up a player who honestly didn't have much of a future in the organization. 

I would really be happy for Voit if it didn't mean spending so much time in New York.
 

APIAD wrote:

Here you go mags

"“A few teams” have interest in Cardinals minor league third baseman Patrick Wisdom, per Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Regardless of whether Wisdom’s dealt this season, Goold regards him as a lock to be out of the Cardinals organization by next year. The Cardinals spent the 52nd overall pick on Wisdom back in 2012, but he still hasn’t made it to the majors. The 26-year-old has shown some promise of late at the Triple-A level, where he homered 31 times and posted a .263 ISO in 506 plate appearances last season. That power came with a so-so .243/.310/.507 slash, which Wisdom has improved on in 2018 (.293/.373/.485 in 370 PAs)."

Thanks, AP.  I had been following him (on the net) and have been pleased by his BA, which has stayed in neighborhood of .300 for several weeks now.  But the improvement seems to have come at the expense of his power.  He'll probably be seeing more time at 1st with the trade of Voit.

As in the case of Voit, I'd really like to see him to an organization that might be willing to take more of risk on him than the Cardinals can.  It's really amazing to me that Clapp's teams have done so well wiithout producing any real contribution to the big club (other than Bader, who does not seem to fare too well in his current role).  Not counting pitchers, of course.
 

Last edited by Mags (7/29/2018 3:10 pm)

First base seems to be the one position the cardinals have no contingency plan at.

From 101sports (I'm out of articles for the month on the P-D's website). I hope every general manager reads this and believes it:

"  … it’s safe to say Carpenter’s been a hefty part of any success or offense they’ve managed to mount lately. He’s been extremely valuable, which leads one to wonder his chances of building up National League MVP votes; votes historically reserved for players on playoff teams.
"However, this is a dying trend according to longtime baseball scribe and analyst Jayson Stark of The Athletic, who recently talked Carpenter’s MVP chances with ‘The Bernie Miklasz Show.’He’s clearly in the argument. The whole National League is the land of opportunity because there’s really no great team; and there hasn’t been one particular season that jumps above the rest,' Stark said. 'Freddy Freeman’s in that argument. Nolan Arenado’s in that argument. Why can’t Matt Carpenter be in that argument?
“'We’ve evolved as voters away from the idea that to be the MVP your team has to play baseball in October,' he added. 'We’re evaluating the guys who have the greatest seasons within the context of their team’s season. If that’s how we’re going to define value, there aren’t a lot of people I can count on my hand who have been more valuable than Matt Carpenter. He’s been awesome.'"

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artie_fufkin wrote:

From 101sports (I'm out of articles for the month on the P-D's website). I hope every general manager reads this and believes it:

"  … it’s safe to say Carpenter’s been a hefty part of any success or offense they’ve managed to mount lately. He’s been extremely valuable, which leads one to wonder his chances of building up National League MVP votes; votes historically reserved for players on playoff teams.
"However, this is a dying trend according to longtime baseball scribe and analyst Jayson Stark of The Athletic, who recently talked Carpenter’s MVP chances with ‘The Bernie Miklasz Show.’He’s clearly in the argument. The whole National League is the land of opportunity because there’s really no great team; and there hasn’t been one particular season that jumps above the rest,' Stark said. 'Freddy Freeman’s in that argument. Nolan Arenado’s in that argument. Why can’t Matt Carpenter be in that argument?
“'We’ve evolved as voters away from the idea that to be the MVP your team has to play baseball in October,' he added. 'We’re evaluating the guys who have the greatest seasons within the context of their team’s season. If that’s how we’re going to define value, there aren’t a lot of people I can count on my hand who have been more valuable than Matt Carpenter. He’s been awesome.'"

Damn that's awful.  It sounds like Whiskey Dan interviewing himself.

There is a reason writers have historically favored players on winning teams.  It suggested by a story Ralph Kiner often told on himself.  In the days before free agency and arbitration, Kiner had just come off one his 50 plus home run seasons and was demanding a raise because how valuable he thought he must be to the team.  "The General Manger said, 'Well Ralph, we finished in last place with you and we can finish in last place without you.' "

There is a reason why MVP awards used to go to guys like Dick Groat and Marty Marion  It had a lot to with not having dickheads like Jason Stark voting.
 

APIAD wrote:

You get to see so many articles before they start the must subscribe thing? Maybe that explains why sometimes i can view it and sometimes i cant.

I'm not sure. I used to click on a couple of questions and the article would appear. Now it says I've used my allotment of articles and I get an offer to subscribe for 99 cents. 

Edit: It's 99 cents for the first month, and $9.99 per month for each month after that.
So when did the P-D get bought by Comcast?

Last edited by artie_fufkin (7/30/2018 3:59 pm)

Wham, Bam, thank you Pham. https://sports.yahoo.com/cardinals-trade-tommy-pham-rays-150415971.html