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JV wrote:
As Albert crawls toward Griffey's 630, and toward 2000 RBI, ESPN features him in a pretty good article about how ballplayers age:
Damn, that article made me feel like i was dieing.
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I’m not a big fan of the statistic WAR, but in 11 seasons, the Cardinals got almost 87 wins at a cost of $104M
Anaheim paid Pujols $250M over 10 years. Pujols is 6.5 years into that deal. So far, he’s produced 13 wins, and last year he was actually -2.
It’s truly sad how fast and far he’s fallen.
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Whats really changed him is his inablity to walk and play defense. 101 rbis is excellent.
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APIAD wrote:
Whats really changed him is his inablity to walk and play defense. 101 rbis is excellent.
He would have led the Cardinals in RBI in 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017, and he would have led them in home runs in 2014, 2015 and 2016.
That being said, the Cardinals have never had Mike Trout hitting in front of him, nor the DH option when his health didn't allow him to play first base.
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Knee surgery. Done for the rest of the season.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
Knee surgery. Done for the rest of the season.
And owed $87M over the next 3 seasons.
ESPN opining that the Angels should consider replacing him
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I'd love to see him come back to St. Louis for a farewell tour, but not for three years. Kiss' farewell tours don't last that long. And, as the writer suggests, the Angels would have to eat almost all of the money.
And it would help if the National League adopted the DH before he gets here.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
I'd love to see him come back to St. Louis for a farewell tour, but not for three years. Kiss' farewell tours don't last that long. And, as the writer suggests, the Angels would have to eat almost all of the money.
And it would help if the National League adopted the DH before he gets here.
I was hoping to see him get to 2000 RBI and at least pass Mays on the homer list before he hangs it up. But as you said, unless the Senior Circuit adopts the DH I'd say his future remains in the AL or out of the game.
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Love to see him back in stl. Maybe he could come back for a few years and then be dfa. He could still draw the salary the angels are theoretically on the hook for. Im completely against the nl adopting the dh. 100% against it.
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"Im completely against the nl adopting the dh. 100% against it."
As am I, but I've developed a more realistic view over time. It's coming. The union won't allow MLB to get rid of it in the AL, and the only alternative is for the NL to adopt it. Having different rules is silly. What if the NBA had the 3-point shot in the Eastern Conference but the Western Conference didn't have it? Or if AFC teams could go for a 2-point conversion but NFC teams had to kick the 1-point conversion?
In any event, I think the current situation creates an advantage for the AL teams. I keep coming back to the 2004 World Series, when the Cardinals used So Taguchi as their DH batting ninth at Fenway.
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JV wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
I'd love to see him come back to St. Louis for a farewell tour, but not for three years. Kiss' farewell tours don't last that long. And, as the writer suggests, the Angels would have to eat almost all of the money.
And it would help if the National League adopted the DH before he gets here.I was hoping to see him get to 2000 RBI and at least pass Mays on the homer list before he hangs it up. But as you said, unless the Senior Circuit adopts the DH I'd say his future remains in the AL or out of the game.
He needs 27 to catch Mays, 63 to catch ARod and 67 to get to 700 HR. If he plays to the end of his contract and is healthy, he might get there.
He needs 104 RBI to pass ARod for third. He would have to find the fountain of youth to catch Ruth and Aaron.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"Im completely against the nl adopting the dh. 100% against it."
As am I, but I've developed a more realistic view over time. It's coming. The union won't allow MLB to get rid of it in the AL, and the only alternative is for the NL to adopt it. Having different rules is silly. What if the NBA had the 3-point shot in the Eastern Conference but the Western Conference didn't have it? Or if AFC teams could go for a 2-point conversion but NFC teams had to kick the 1-point conversion?
In any event, I think the current situation creates an advantage for the AL teams. I keep coming back to the 2004 World Series, when the Cardinals used So Taguchi as their DH batting ninth at Fenway.
Im okay with them having a disadvantage it the trade off is real baseball.
Nl 20
Al 24
Those are the amount of world series won since 1973 when dh was invented.
Also i hate interleague play. I like the idea of two different style colliding. The nba and nfl might as well not even have 2 leagues.
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APIAD wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
"Im completely against the nl adopting the dh. 100% against it."
As am I, but I've developed a more realistic view over time. It's coming. The union won't allow MLB to get rid of it in the AL, and the only alternative is for the NL to adopt it. Having different rules is silly. What if the NBA had the 3-point shot in the Eastern Conference but the Western Conference didn't have it? Or if AFC teams could go for a 2-point conversion but NFC teams had to kick the 1-point conversion?
In any event, I think the current situation creates an advantage for the AL teams. I keep coming back to the 2004 World Series, when the Cardinals used So Taguchi as their DH batting ninth at Fenway.Im okay with them having a disadvantage it the trade off is real baseball.
Nl 20
Al 24
Those are the amount of world series won since 1973 when dh was invented.
Also i hate interleague play. I like the idea of two different style colliding. The nba and nfl might as well not even have 2 leagues.
There was a stretch in there where in certain years you didn’t use the DH which seriously disadvantaged the AL.
I used to be opposed to the idea. Now I don’t care. I think the “strategy” aspect is overblown. I don’t take any enjoyment in watching a pitcher hitting .116 flail at the plate. And it seems like every year at least one pitcher gets hurt while hitting or running.
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APIAD wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
"Im completely against the nl adopting the dh. 100% against it."
As am I, but I've developed a more realistic view over time. It's coming. The union won't allow MLB to get rid of it in the AL, and the only alternative is for the NL to adopt it. Having different rules is silly. What if the NBA had the 3-point shot in the Eastern Conference but the Western Conference didn't have it? Or if AFC teams could go for a 2-point conversion but NFC teams had to kick the 1-point conversion?
In any event, I think the current situation creates an advantage for the AL teams. I keep coming back to the 2004 World Series, when the Cardinals used So Taguchi as their DH batting ninth at Fenway.Im okay with them having a disadvantage it the trade off is real baseball.
Nl 20
Al 24
Those are the amount of world series won since 1973 when dh was invented.
Also i hate interleague play. I like the idea of two different style colliding. The nba and nfl might as well not even have 2 leagues.
I hate interleague play also. It won't be a loss that anyone will notice, but I will finally be able to cut baseball watching loose when the NL goes to the DL-- if I'm still around to do so.
I remember hearing an interview with Geogre Brett several years ago when he was talking about how boring it is when the pitcher comes to bat and how that's when he usually went to take a shit or something about that tasteful. The first thought I had was, "It's not so boring when the other team has got a DH playing third base (or first base, as we have seen this year). You may be looking at a runner on second with the leadoff hitter coming up."
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"Also i hate interleague play."
It's run its course for me. Royals/Cardinals has the in-state thing going for it, ESPN gets a chubby because they get to broadcast Mets/Yankees for three days, and the Cubs/White Sox series is one of the few times whatever they call Comiskey Park these days gets filled, but there are far more Marlins/Mariners and Tigers/Diamondbacks series that have no context.
Of course, you'd have to move one of the teams to a different league to give each of them an even number of teams. Given the current state of affairs, I'd suggest moving the Orioles over to the NL Central, geographical considerations aside.
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Even the royals do nothing for me. I just plain hate it.
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APIAD wrote:
Even the royals do nothing for me. I just plain hate it.
When interleague play started, the Red Sox' "geographical rival" was the Braves, under the rationale they once played in Boston. The games were sold out because the Braves were good at the time, but no one bought the notion the two teams had a rivalry. That's like the Cardinals playing the Orioles every year because the Orioles used to be the Browns.
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I feel like I’m watching the movie “Grumpy Old Men.”
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forsberg_us wrote:
I feel like I’m watching the movie “Grumpy Old Men.”
Will you accept a nolo plea?
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forsberg_us wrote:
I feel like I’m watching the movie “Grumpy Old Men.”
I'm not old.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
forsberg_us wrote:
I feel like I’m watching the movie “Grumpy Old Men.”
I'm not old.
If yoiu combine our ages, it should amount to two grum-py old men.
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Do you have to be old to be grumpy?
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APIAD wrote:
Do you have to be old to be grumpy?
It is easier to get away with it.