Same here i guess.  Luke voit has been an interesting story and the yankees are different sort of team then they have been in the past.  However, they are still the yankees and an AL team.

APIAD wrote:

Same here i guess. Luke voit has been an interesting story and the yankees are different sort of team then they have been in the past. However, they are still the yankees and an AL team.

My dad, who only pays attention to two teams, asked me why the Cardinals traded Voit. I told him is was because they already had enough guys who can't play defense at first base.
 

All three teams I wanted to lose - Brewers, Dodgers and Astros - have won so far. I don't care who wins the Yankees/Red Sox series, as long as one of them loses.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/10/04/chris-correa-houston-astros-hacker-former-cardinals-scouting-director-exclusive-interview

APIAD wrote:

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/10/04/chris-correa-houston-astros-hacker-former-cardinals-scouting-director-exclusive-interview

The sentencing judge must be an Astro's fan.  The monetary size of the fine or Correa seems ridiculous to me.
 

Idk about his view that prison life needs reformed.  Maybe but his perspective isnt really prison.  Sounds more like church camp.

APIAD wrote:

Idk about his view that prison life needs reformed. Maybe but his perspective isnt really prison. Sounds more like church camp.

I think his point, and a valid one, is the prisoners are put in there to just sit around.  I have my reservations about rehabl but I'd say do something with their time.  Either work their asses off or give them something to let them keep up and develop new job skills if they want too.  Or just give them all life sentences.  But don't turn them back on the public unless they have a shot at productive work other than drug dealing.
Or make damn sure he never wants to come back

Of course some 25 year old assholes exercising the powers of a federal judge and applying the wisdom of their years would block any such changes.
 

APIAD wrote:

Mags wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Idk about his view that prison life needs reformed. Maybe but his perspective isnt really prison. Sounds more like church camp.

I think his point, and a valid one, is the prisoners are put in there to just sit around.  I have my reservations about rehabl but I'd say do something with their time.  Either work their asses off or give them something to let them keep up and develop new job skills if they want too.  Or just give them all life sentences.  But don't turn them back on the public unless they have a shot at productive work other than drug dealing.
Or make damn sure he never wants to come back

Of course some 25 year old assholes exercising the powers of a federal judge and applying the wisdom of their years would block any such changes.
 

I know illinois prisons are full of "programs" geared toward education and staying on the right track. One of the state prisons used to have a work camp and provide there own produce. I think it worked really well but it has since been done away with. Budget reasons maybe. Imo, prison is to soft and getting softer by the day. It is neither a deterrent or rehabilitation. The majority of the people in medium and max prisons are worthless human beings that are incapable of contributing to society. They are programed to take advantage of the system and that is all they know. They were raised this way and their parents were raised this way. The only way to deal with them is for them to be locked in a box for a certain amount of time to give the civil world a break knowing when they are let out it is just a matter of time until they return. I suppose we could argue all day about why this is the case and what type of reform needs done but i dont see it as prison reform. The people are broke once they get there. Correa was a white collar crime and prison is not geared for those people. If that is even what you call what he wrnt to. You cant gear prison for your least violent offenders nor can you reform it to such.

And on that cheerful note ...

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Mags wrote:

I think his point, and a valid one, is the prisoners are put in there to just sit around.  I have my reservations about rehabl but I'd say do something with their time.  Either work their asses off or give them something to let them keep up and develop new job skills if they want too.  Or just give them all life sentences.  But don't turn them back on the public unless they have a shot at productive work other than drug dealing.
Or make damn sure he never wants to come back

Of course some 25 year old assholes exercising the powers of a federal judge and applying the wisdom of their years would block any such changes.
 

I know illinois prisons are full of "programs" geared toward education and staying on the right track. One of the state prisons used to have a work camp and provide there own produce. I think it worked really well but it has since been done away with. Budget reasons maybe. Imo, prison is to soft and getting softer by the day. It is neither a deterrent or rehabilitation. The majority of the people in medium and max prisons are worthless human beings that are incapable of contributing to society. They are programed to take advantage of the system and that is all they know. They were raised this way and their parents were raised this way. The only way to deal with them is for them to be locked in a box for a certain amount of time to give the civil world a break knowing when they are let out it is just a matter of time until they return. I suppose we could argue all day about why this is the case and what type of reform needs done but i dont see it as prison reform. The people are broke once they get there. Correa was a white collar crime and prison is not geared for those people. If that is even what you call what he wrnt to. You cant gear prison for your least violent offenders nor can you reform it to such.

And on that cheerful note ...

Yeah i sort of did that cynical soapbox thing.

My stance is clearly going to be slanted but here it is. I think we need to get harder not softer.  By the time someone lands themself in prison they have been given a second chance about 10x.  Maybe that an exaggeration in some cases but in others it isnt.  So if a guy gets in trouble, gets probation.  Gets in trouble again, extended probation.  Gets in trouble again, gets drug court, gets in trouble again, gets county time.  Gets in trouble maybe and finally gets 2 years prison (which = about 6 months), gets in trouble once out and starts the whole process over again until he is sentenced to a longer prison sentence.  That is literally your typical scenario that some people live their whole life.  Are we not teaching that crime is tolorated?

The financial aspect of it, im not sure how to measure.  This article used 24,000 as the yearly cost to the government for a single inmate.  Idk how they measure that.  I assume by taking the state budget for corrections and divide it by the time by served inmates.  Thats a pretty slanted way to measure because most people in prison were on government assistance when they were put in.  The cost of food, health care and even housing isnt necessarily a new expense to governemnt.  Not only that but money is being spent at a local level by way of law enforcement, probation, courts and county corrections in order to deal with many of these subjects when they are not locked up in prison.  I see that 24,000 as a huge over shot. 

In my experience of the very very few people sent to prison very few of them had jobs when they committed their crimes.  As far as reform goes, id start there.  Unemployment is at an all time low.  There are jobs to be had.  Desire and government dependance is why i see most without jobs.

David Ortiz and Alex Rodriguez on the same pre-game show ...

Well that was a quick hook.