If the Cardinals dont get Pujols signed I will give DeWitt one of these




but I will remain a Cardinals fan.  The only thing that could make me not follow the Cardinals would be if the club turned into the pirates.  Even then I wouldnt support another team.

Congrats on reaching your life long goal of being ranked as Brendan Ryan. 

I thought your position on DeWitt changed when he trade and later signed Holliday?  If it hasnt, will a Pujols extension make you and DeWitt buddy buddy again?

I did find an old Yahoo post after they completed the Holliday trade.  Yeah, I'm a real kool-aide drinker

http://messages.yahoo.com/Recreation_%26_Sports/Sports/Baseball/Teams/threadview?m=tm&bn=7737423%232006cardinals&tid=50490&mid=50565&tof=-1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1

alz wrote:

I don't care where Vince Coleman went, or what his stats look like next to Pierre. You missed my statement of era's and are crusading around like I meant something I didn't. I ASSOCIATE COLEMAN STEALING 100+ BASES A YEAR WITH THE 1980'S CARDINALS.

The son of a bitch hit .264 lifetime and still racked up 752 steals lifetime (6th -- Career). You can call that mediocre talent all you want, but that's impressive to me. I don't care if Cards fans hate him or not, that's pretty iconic to me for the small ball that Herzog played in the 80s.

Fors you apparently have no idea how special Albert Pujols is, you've made the jump to act like a businessman, and not a fan on this. That suprises me. So does the arrogance that you feel a man who's given the Cardinals a decade playing for about 50% value (play vs pay) should take it on the chin once again for the "honor" of wearing a fucking jersey.

What makes the jersey special is that HE is wearing it, don't fucking kid yourself. Here's Cardinals baseball since 1990

Pre-Pujols:
1990-SHIT 70-92
1991-SHIT 84-78
1992-SHIT 83-79
1993-SHIT 87-75
1994 SHIT 53-61
1995 SHIT 62-81
1996 SHIT 88-74
1997 SHIT 73-89
1998 SHIT 83-79 (By my opinion of watching players, this was awesome, but with Fors and the team view? SHIT)
1999 SHIT 75-86
2000 Lost in NLCS to mets

Albert hits the scene.
2001 Wildcard playoff loss to Arizona
2002 Lost NLCS to the Giants
2003 SHIT 85-77
2004 Lost in World Series to Boston
2005 Lost in NLCS to Houston
2006 SHIT, but won world series due to getting hot after coming in from a weak division.
2007 SHIT 78-84
2008 SHIT 86-76
2009 Lost in NLDS to Dodgers
2010 SHIT 86-76

I'm sure this was a coincedence, and going to postseason 5/10 years with Albert was just random. Compared to the 1/11 we went since 1990 before him. Fuck this Albert, he's a bum, who needs him. Let him walk.

Get snippy all you want, but I'm holding the Cardinals accountable for this stupidity. It is NOT okay, you will NOT get my ticket money, and FUCK YOUR TEAM if you treat this guy badly. Kick wainright off, kick carp off, dump holliday too. I don't care if your paying Albert 30 million and team payroll is 35. I want to watch Albert Pujols make history, and that is being ripped away from me. I loved the 1998 season, juiced be damned, that was amazing to watch. I loved every second of it, we'd go 2 hours early to watch Mac take BP. I watch the players, I love the players. I love the team too, but the team is made of THE PLAYERS.

I'm done with this topic, people want to treat pujols like he's just another ballplayer, and I will happily call everyone of them a fucking moron. You have potentially the best hitter to ever play the game. Fuck Ruth, Aaron, Mantle, Rodriguez, Bonds.... Watch where Pujols is in another 6-7 seasons, as he's rounding 700 HRs.... Fuck it, if I have to explain how amazing that would be to watch, then I'm on the wrong boards....

Relax, big guy. I liked Vince Coleman, at least until he went to New York and started throwing cherry bombs at little kids. He just doesn't doesn't belong on a list with three Hall of Famers.

"I wish people could check their testosterone at the door and just talk baseball, mother-in-laws, or whatever."

The hag hasn't spoken to me since I demanded her key to my house the night after she locked Zach and me out of our house in the middle of a snowstorm. To say February thus far has been the most pleasant month of going on 17 years of marriage is kind of like saying 1999 was the best year of Kent Bottenfield's career.

artie_fufkin wrote:

"I wish people could check their testosterone at the door and just talk baseball, mother-in-laws, or whatever."

The hag hasn't spoken to me since I demanded her key to my house the night after she locked Zach and me out of our house in the middle of a snowstorm. To say February thus far has been the most pleasant month of going on 17 years of marriage is kind of like saying 1999 was the best year of Kent Bottenfield's career.

I had a S.O.B. grandfather (how's that for irony) who locked me out of the house on Christmas Eve 1982 (and yes, I still remember it) when we were having that mini Ice Age where the winter's either dumped endless snow or else stayed below zero for weeks on end.  I think was about 17 below the night he locked me out.  Having been at the next door neighbors, I had no jacket on and was forced to break the window and turn the lock.  Damn, he was a crotchety old S.O.B.

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"I wish people could check their testosterone at the door and just talk baseball, mother-in-laws, or whatever."

The hag hasn't spoken to me since I demanded her key to my house the night after she locked Zach and me out of our house in the middle of a snowstorm. To say February thus far has been the most pleasant month of going on 17 years of marriage is kind of like saying 1999 was the best year of Kent Bottenfield's career.

I had a S.O.B. grandfather (how's that for irony) who locked me out of the house on Christmas Eve 1982 (and yes, I still remember it) when we were having that mini Ice Age where the winter's either dumped endless snow or else stayed below zero for weeks on end.  I think was about 17 below the night he locked me out.  Having been at the next door neighbors, I had no jacket on and was forced to break the window and turn the lock.  Damn, he was a crotchety old S.O.B.

Wow. My MIL isn't that malicious. Her most offensive trait is her assumption I'm a mentally-retarded 6-year-old. This episode started because my wife is constantly misplacing her keys. So she took my house key when she had to go somewhere the same night Zach and I had basketball practice. I left the front door open, which isn't a big deal because we don't live in a high crime neighborhood and the nosy people next door are always aware of who's coming and going anyway.
For whatever reason, my MIL came over, saw the door was unlocked, figured I was being dumb and locked it. So when we came home, we were locked out. I had to track down my wife, who tracked down my mother-in-law, who shows up, sees Zach wearing basketball shorts and says "He's not dressed for the weather!!!" My response was "We wouldn't have had to worry about the weather if you hadn't locked the door!" Then I told her to give me her key to our house, and she hasn't spoken to me since. It's been like a vacation.

Surely he's not the only guy who's allegiance will follow Pujols

There's probably very few.

I think a lot of casual fans might stop watching, but the franchise is not going to collapse.

tkihshbt wrote:

Also, if you casually switch allegiances to a team like the Cubs or Reds, you were never really a fan at all.

It would kind of like when Edmonds played for the Cubs.  I always wanted him to do well but I didnt want him to beat the Cardinals.

I didnt say Edmonds was Pujols but I liked Edmonds like I like Pujols.  If Pujols left I would still want to see him play well.  However I would not cheer for his new team just because he is on it.


Max your life as a cardinals fan is different then most in this general area.  I believe alot of fans are like me.  My grandparents are cardinals fas.  My brother is a Cardinal fan.  I have friends that are Cardinals friends.  That connection means more then Pujols does.

tkihshbt wrote:

Starting in '07 I started having questions about ownership's intentions.  There was no clear break, actually.  The issues predate the firing of Jocketty, which I thought was a low blow and a power grab.  The ownership's use of the team's popularity to try to get St. Louis taxpayers to help pay for their new stadium, rubbed me the wrong way.  And I thought Busch II was a fine stadium and didn't understand why they thought they needed a new one.  It all came down to more luxury boxes, fewer seats, and higher prices for everyone, as far as I could understand DeWitt's argument, and we were supposed to help pay for it and thank the owners for the privelege?!?

First, you appear to be oblivious to why people buy sports teams. For the life of me I cannot understand why you do not understand that people buy franchises to MAKE MONEY. Bill DeWitt is like 99 percent of other owners: he's in it to MAKE MONEY. He's not the Maloof brothers, Mark Cuban, the Steinbrenner family or Jerry Jones. It's not a hobby; it's a BUSINESS. And business says that a new stadium with more luxury boxes and more expensive prices makes more money. Everybody understands this. Why can't you? What fantasy world do you occupy where billionaires buy $500 million sports teams without thinking of all the money there is to be made?

TK, sometimes you exhibit that you are such a poor reader while making an offensive ad hominem argument that I am in a very difficult situation for how to respond.  To help you, I will cut-and-paste and use boldface: "The ownership's use of the team's popularity to try to get St. Louis taxpayers to help pay for their new stadium, rubbed me the wrong way."

And for the sake of avoiding the appearance of a deceptive or false argument, you might look up the price for which the DeWitt ownership group purchased the Cardinals.

tkihshbt wrote:

Then came the urinal sales, followed by disappointing teams and seasons in '06 and '07, an uncomfortable feeling that was overcome in large measure by the team suddenly becoming awesome for the last two months of '06 and winning the WS.

The 2006 team was disappointing because of injuries to Edmonds, Rolen, Mulder, Isringhausen and others.

I was a late comer to the DeWitt is a cheapskate argument, but I am true convert now.  He is fucking the team up with his double talk about resigning Pujols last year, and then failing to make an offer, and on and on.  At this point i am more a fan of the players on the field than i am of the front office.  And while I can't claim lots of knowledge about the front office, there is now NOBODY there whom I respect, and three people who I repeatedly disagree with: DeWitt, Mozeliak, and Luhnow.  The way things are going, those three would make excellent instructors for the first day of Lack of Class 101.

Oh good grief. You say you can't claim a lack of knowledge about the people in the front office, but you have no problem saying that you don't respect them? Very compassionate. What the hell...they all worked hard to get where they are, work long hours and probably spend considerable time away from their families, but they are true bastards because they dare to work for Bill DeWitt.

Again, it's staggering how poorly you read.  The three people who I know anything about are the people I disagree with and have no respect for.  I can't speak for any of the others because I acknowledge that I don't know very much about anyone else in the front office.

Last edited by Max (2/28/2011 9:38 pm)

"Then there was the Jocketty firing"

I believe Jocketty resigned after he lost a staredown with Luhnow. Not a big deal, but I think Walt could still be here if he wanted to be here, and considering how events have played out since, he'd probably have as much sway now as he did back then.

TK, sometimes you exhibit that you are such a poor reader while making an offensive ad hominem argument that I am in a very difficult situation for how to respond.

To help you, I will cut-and-paste and use boldface: "The ownership's use of the team's popularity to try to get St. Louis taxpayers to help pay for their new stadium, rubbed me the wrong way."

Here's what you actually said, Sean Hannity:

The ownership's use of the team's popularity to try to get St. Louis taxpayers to help pay for their new stadium, rubbed me the wrong way.And I thought Busch II was a fine stadium and didn't understand why they thought they needed a new one.  It all came down to more luxury boxes, fewer seats, and higher prices for everyone, as far as I could understand DeWitt's argument, and we were supposed to help pay for it and thank the owners for the privelege?!?

Yes, you could certainly be rubbed the wrong way with how the ownership group tried (read that closely: tried) to get public financing, and it's true that Busch II was a fine stadium and Busch III is cheap-looking, but that doesn't take away from the real issue in that you are pissed off at the owners for trying to make more money. Why can't you just admit that? 

Also, your strategy of saying something, then turning around and telling the person that's not what you really said is a losing one.

And for the sake of avoiding the appearance of a deceptive or false argument, you might look up the price for which the DeWitt ownership group purchased the Cardinals.

I am fully aware of what they paid for it.

Again, it's staggering how poorly you read.

It's actually staggering how you think this will work. Please read again:

And while I can't claim lots of knowledge about the front office, there is now NOBODY there whom I respect

The three people who I know anything about are the people I disagree with and have no respect for.

So you have no respect for John Mozeliak and Jeff Luhnow because...you don't approve of the way they do their jobs? That's actually more hideous of a statement, considering the line of work they're in. I could understand saying "I don't like the way they do their jobs" rather than saying you don't respect them. Saying you don't respect them is making a value judgment of them as human beings. And you don't know them as human beings. You know them as employees of the St. Louis Cardinals.

No offense, but you're probably the worst kind of sports fan there is. You're like those jerks who call up Mike or the Mad Dog and take everything that happens to their team personally and feel they owe you something. Maybe it'd be better if you go sign up as a Reds fan now.