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Harold Baines???
Guy has a mediocre (.289, 384 HR, 1628 RBI) 22 year career, 15 seasons of which were spent primarily as a DH and the veterans committee deems this HOF worthy?
Congrats to Lee Smith though. I expect it will take him 20 minutes to walk to the podium on induction day.
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Re: Harold Baines???
Question, what is more noteworthy for a career. 10 years of of above average stats or 22 years of average stats.
The dh thing. I get it because the overall value of a player shaded because he never played the field. However if dh is a spot on a mlb roster, shouldn't you honor the best?
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forsberg_us wrote:
Guy has a mediocre (.289, 384 HR, 1628 RBI) 22 year career, 15 seasons of which were spent primarily as a DH and the veterans committee deems this HOF worthy?
Congrats to Lee Smith though. I expect it will take him 20 minutes to walk to the podium on induction day.
Baines was supposedly a good teammate and a smart player. The White Sox retired his number while was still an active player. But Joe Girardi was a good teammate and smart, and I don't think he ought to get into the Hall of Fame unless he buys a ticket.
Lee Smith had some dominant years, was the all-time leader in saves when he retired and is still third on the all-time saves list. I never thought he was slow. I always thought he was just pacing himself.
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Re: Harold Baines???
"The dh thing. I get it because the overall value of a player shaded because he never played the field. However if dh is a spot on a mlb roster, shouldn't you honor the best?"
Baines played more than 1,000 games in field, which to me elevates him above Edgar Martinez, who was a DH only after 3-4 years in the league.
The real debate will happen when Ortiz becomes eligible. He was almost exclusively a DH and his name was on the Mitchell Report. If you don't vote for Bonds, how can you justify voting for Ortiz?
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"However if dh is a spot on a mlb roster, shouldn't you honor the best?"
I'm not sure I'd consider Baines one of the best. He was only an All-Star 8 times in 22 seasons and only finished in the top 20 in MVP voting 4 times (never higher than 9th).
Jim Edmonds has a better case for the HoF than Baines, and I'm not sure Edmonds deserves to be in.
ETA: Harold Baines 162 game average- .289/.356/.465, 22 HR, 93 RBI, career WAR 38.7
Jim Edmonds 162 game average- .284/.376/.527, 32 HR, 97 RBI, career WAR 60.4
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Re: Harold Baines???
I agree. Not sure bains is a hofer. I will say i have a lot of respect for anyone who does a good job for a long time. Thats in any profession. But idk that equates to hof.
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Re: Harold Baines???
Glad to see Lee Arthur Smith in the HOF . Always had a lot of respect for him .