artie_fufkin wrote:

The routine 7-2-5 groundball out ...

you got a problem with that?!!!

Max wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

Jake Westbrook sucks.

Thank you.  Another Mozeliak fuck up, I'll wager. 

By the end of this season, the rotation will be Carp, Garks, Lohse, and Westbrook and McClellan will be fighting for #4 and #5.

The whole FA signing of Westbrook will be viewed as an effort to justify the Ludwick for Westbrook "trade", which YOU, TK, snuffed out from the get-go was more of a salary dump than it was a legitimate move to make the playoffs.

I still disagree with that. They wouldn't have had a chance of making the playoffs rolling out Hawkesworth or Walters every fifth day, and that they didn't wasn't Westbrook's fault. He pitched pretty well. I'll agree with the notion that they signed Westbrook so it wouldn't look like they rented him for two months at the expense of Ludwick, but there weren't a lot of other options in their price range. Assuming Wainwright doesn't blow out his elbow, Westbrook would be a pretty darn good 4th starter in the NL Central.

Max wrote:

APRTW wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

La Russa said his chances of playing this series are slim.

So that takes them to the 10th at least.  I dont think having 5 days of Holliday is worth putting the roster at 24 players for 10 days.

who would you have brought up???

Salas would have been nice or even Stavinowhater could have been usefull last night.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

Jake Westbrook sucks.

Thank you.  Another Mozeliak fuck up, I'll wager. 

By the end of this season, the rotation will be Carp, Garks, Lohse, and Westbrook and McClellan will be fighting for #4 and #5.

The whole FA signing of Westbrook will be viewed as an effort to justify the Ludwick for Westbrook "trade", which YOU, TK, snuffed out from the get-go was more of a salary dump than it was a legitimate move to make the playoffs.

I still disagree with that. They wouldn't have had a chance of making the playoffs rolling out Hawkesworth or Walters every fifth day, and that they didn't wasn't Westbrook's fault. He pitched pretty well. I'll agree with the notion that they signed Westbrook so it wouldn't look like they rented him for two months at the expense of Ludwick, but there weren't a lot of other options in their price range. Assuming Wainwright doesn't blow out his elbow, Westbrook would be a pretty darn good 4th starter in the NL Central.

An now that Wainwight is out for the year it is better then Walters, who was the Memphis opening day starter.

I doubt you've have been able to get nearly as much as you might believe for Ludwick. He's 32, making about $6M, and proving that when asked to be anything more than a complimentary piece, he can't deliver. San Diego was doing everything possible this off season to purge salary and didn't, or perhaps couldn't move Ludwick who may now be below the Mendoza line as a Padre.

forsberg_us wrote:

I doubt you've have been able to get nearly as much as you might believe for Ludwick. He's 32, making about $6M, and proving that when asked to be anything more than a complimentary piece, he can't deliver. San Diego was doing everything possible this off season to purge salary and didn't, or perhaps couldn't move Ludwick who may now be below the Mendoza line as a Padre.

and yet he was their only tradable chit.  doesn't speak very highly of the cards system, top to bottom.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

and yet he was their only tradable chit.  doesn't speak very highly of the cards system, top to bottom.

Miller is supposedly off-limits. He allowed one unearned run and struck out nine in his Palm Beach debut.

From what I heard, the Dominican kid whose name has changed a couple of times may have supplanted Miller as the organization's top prospect. No knock on Miller, but the other kid apparently looked that good.

But your point is generally correct Max. The Cardinals system, at least at the higher levels, is pretty barren. Most of our top prospects are from the last 2 drafts.

artie_fufkin wrote:

"The Cardinals system, at least at the higher levels, is pretty barren."

Is there a first baseman who can replace Pujols next year, after he signs with the Cubs?

Berkman?

artie_fufkin wrote:

Fudgie signed a 1-year deal.

yes, but by inviting him here on a short term deal, he will fall in love with playing in st. louis and give us a home town discount.  pay attention, artie.