Fudgie's defense rears it's head ...

So the focus of Jack In The Box's new ad campaign is that you can get anything on the menu at any time? I'm not sure I want to walk in at 3 a.m. and order something at that hour with "jack sauce" on it.

Crap!

Larussa's press conference should be entertaining.

forsberg_us wrote:

Not that it matters, but official scoring in MLB is a joke. It's a tough play, but when a ball hits the fielder in the glove and then ends up on the ground, that's an error people.

often, yes.  but scorers make allowances for things like wind, lights, poor playing surface, etc. and once in a while i agree with them.  in this case, i agree with you.  the replay makes it looks like rasmus just misplayed the ball, and probably deserved the E.  but that would have let franklin off the hook for the blown save, and after coughing up a single, a walk, and a seven pitch AB to tejada, i think that the ultimate arbiter of justice says the "save", in any meaningful sense, was already blown and franklin was just relying on luck at the time tejada drove those runs in.

another thing in the replay is that it looks like jay got the better jump and probably would have made the catch, but he laid off, and deferred to the CF, as he is supposed to do.  colby's D still looks suspect.



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windwalker wrote:

Max wrote:

the replay makes it looks like rasmus just misplayed the ball, and probably deserved the E.  but that would have let franklin off the hook for the blown save

Max, it isnt a blown save if he makes the play. By that logic every defensive play made just lets a pitcher off the hook for a make-believe blown save. Franklin certainly didnt pitch very well, but Hollywood 69 yakked a ball that would have ended the game, and cost us the game on the same play.

Worst part about it is that offensively, 69 is the only guy hitting over .250.

I think we are saying the same thing, Windy.

If he makes the play, game over.  Ryan gets a "save", and we are all happy, although in an Izzy-esque way.

He did not make the play and . . .

-it was ruled a base hit.  Thus blown save.

-but if it had been ruled an E, which it might well have, my guess is that it would not be blown save, but i could be wrong about.  I am arguing that Ryan kind of deserved a blown save at the point that Tejada was taking swing #7, if a "save" means that the closer can end a game cleanly without making the fans need to run out and purchase an Izzy-sized stockpile of cheap liquor.

Last edited by Max (4/10/2011 9:26 am)

forsberg_us wrote:

It's a blown save regardless of whether it's ruled a hit or an error.  The runs would be unearned, but the save still blown

OK.  So then there is no good reason not charge Rasmus with the error.

I can't see in the replay if either called for it, but I believe that the CF is in charge, and if he is running for it the LF needs to lay off.

Do you really think Franklin was criticizing the OF?  He might have been shaking his head at himself.  Any closer knows he's not supposed to allow a fly ball to the warning track.

We'll have to call it like it is: the loss was a complete team effort. In the past two games, two players who should be making routine plays in their sleep are screwing up at critical times, nobody is getting a timely hit...it's just a mess. I've never seen a Cardinals team like this.

tkihshbt wrote:

We'll have to call it like it is: the loss was a complete team effort. In the past two games, two players who should be making routine plays in their sleep are screwing up at critical times, nobody is getting a timely hit...it's just a mess. I've never seen a Cardinals team like this.

The unfortunate thing is the pitching in innings 1-8 has been mostly good, and Garcia has been superb. Even Miggy was good last night. I don't know how much of a product that's been on the weak lineups they've faced, but in any event you hate to waste good pitching.

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

It's a blown save regardless of whether it's ruled a hit or an error.  The runs would be unearned, but the save still blown

OK.  So then there is no good reason not charge Rasmus with the error.

Didnt see the play but ruling it a error would have taken a hit away from the batter.  It is an away game.  The scored ruled in favor of the home team.  It happens most the time.

Last edited by APRTW (4/10/2011 5:07 pm)

APRTW wrote:

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

It's a blown save regardless of whether it's ruled a hit or an error.  The runs would be unearned, but the save still blown

OK.  So then there is no good reason not charge Rasmus with the error.

Didnt see the play but ruling it a error would have taken a hit away from the batter.  It is an away game.  The scored ruled in favor of the home team.  It happens most the time.

I understand why it was a hit, but considering the so-called sanctity of statistics in baseball, the should be a more uniform system of official scoring. I the Giants' centerfielder drops that ball it's an error and the pitcher doesn't get the earned runs.