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Pin a big fucking medal on whoever got him.
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Shot in the head. In hockey terms, that's an "upper body injury."
See ya, you piece of shit.
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So...
Osama Bin Laden is a stones throw from the capital of Pakistan. Living in a mansion, no phone or internet, burning his trash....
We have to work 9 1/2 years and rely on 9 month of drone plane photos to piece it together? Thanks for the assist Pakistan... Fucking pricks probably had him there the entire time and hid him from us.
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As a second thought, serious benefits to the operation.
No Humane treatement during a trial.
No Humane death penalty administered.
No housing the son of a bitch for 10 years while we wait on appeals.
No idiot group of people (and you KNOW this would happen, even for Bin Laden), protesting the death penalty when we finally got around to it in 2024....
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alz wrote:
As a second thought, serious benefits to the operation.
No Humane treatement during a trial.
No Humane death penalty administered.
No housing the son of a bitch for 10 years while we wait on appeals.
No idiot group of people (and you KNOW this would happen, even for Bin Laden), protesting the death penalty when we finally got around to it in 2024....
The only thing that concerns me is this guy will become a martyr, which is precisely what he wanted. I would have preferred if he had been taken alive and lived out his days in prison being treated as inhumanely as possible, just to not give him the satisfaction of being killed in the name of Allah. But I'm otherwise not disappointed with the result.
If there had been a death sentence, here's how it ought to have been carried out: In the middle of a desert, set up a line between two scaffold towers a couple hundred feet in the air, spanning a pit filled with rabid carnivores. Leave him hanging in the dead center, and say "There's a bazooka pointed right at your nuts. You can either hold onto the rope and be blasted to oblivion, or you can let go and if you're lucky the impact of the fall will kill you before the animals rip your flesh off its bones, devour you, and then in a couple of days shit you out. That'll be your legacy - manure."
(Yeah, I've watched a couple of Bond movies. What about it?)
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Oh, and I'm one of those idiots who is opposed to the death penalty 99.9 percent of the time. This being the 0.1 percent exception.
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Artie, I'm against the death penalty as well, but probably for other reasons. I think the administration is entirely too kind. I prefer the "Die as you killed" sentence. In that sense, I do not mind in the least having years of appeals, because I at least know that when you finally have to face sentencing, there is something to fear.
For Bin Laden, you could strap him to a grenade, bind him to a rooftop of a building you're about to take down with blasting, or just put him into a a machine that runs 500 mph and launch it into a brick wall. Any of these notions work for me. I would also be in favor of putting him on display in ground zero, New York City, and letting the people carry out his sentence.
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Ding Dong the "witch" is dead! (grin)
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Sounds like Navy SEALS in an incredible operation, not far from Islamabad. Supposedly no Pakistani cooperation, but I have to think they must have at least looked the other way.
I doubt they wanted to be directly connected to housing him. Now they can claim that they never knew he was there. Even though we all know otherwise.
Or he wasnt there to start with.
I have a feeling that if Bin Laden could have been waving a white flag and he still would have been shot in the head. Part of me likes that and the other part doesnt. I wonder if Bin Laden would have said things the US government wouldnt want heard.
I heard the body was already disposed of. WTF is up with that? The little man in my head is telling me this could be a trick to get Obama reelcted. Throwing his body to sea is BS. The governement wouldnt do that. They might tell us that but they wouldnt really do it.
To me something doesnt add up.
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alz wrote:
Artie, I'm against the death penalty as well, but probably for other reasons. I think the administration is entirely too kind. I prefer the "Die as you killed" sentence. In that sense, I do not mind in the least having years of appeals, because I at least know that when you finally have to face sentencing, there is something to fear.
For Bin Laden, you could strap him to a grenade, bind him to a rooftop of a building you're about to take down with blasting, or just put him into a a machine that runs 500 mph and launch it into a brick wall. Any of these notions work for me. I would also be in favor of putting him on display in ground zero, New York City, and letting the people carry out his sentence.
I would think that putting him on top of a burning building and letting him choose between burning and jumping would be most fitting.
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AP, three things on the burial at sea issue
1) apparently no country to whom the US was willing to turn over the body was willing to accept it.
2) burial at sea means there is no permanent burial site. A permanent burial site could have become a shrine for terrorists.
3) I suspect this was also an effort to appease Muslin leaders by complying with Muslim ritual (although there appears to be some disagreement as to whether or not the procedure succeeded in that sense). Not necessarily the worst decision. No reason to anger the Muslim leaders we are trying to get on our side.
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This a really good story detailing the operation from the initial intelligence to yesterday's operation. I'm not sure we ever get much more detail that this
I thought this was a great picture. The story says the White House was monitoring the operation in real time. This picture could be a snapshot of them actually watching the operation. Can you imagine the cheer that erupted when they realized they got him.
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"The little man in my head is telling me this could be a trick to get Obama reelcted."
Jesus, the guy could give away free ice cream and people wouldn't be satisfied. By every legitimate account, Obama managed this thing brilliantly, from making the killing or capture of bin Laden a priority as soon as he took office to monitoring the actual operation in real time. Less than 24 hours later, there are ulterior motives being ascribed. Sorry, Karl Rove doesn't run the fucking country anymore.
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"Obama managed this thing brilliantly, from making the killing or capture of bin Laden a priority as soon as he took office."
For the record, I have no doubt Bin Laden is dead. No one would be dumb enough to make this announcement knowing that a living Bin Laden could easily make a dated statement that would make the President look like a buffoon. If he was alive and capable of doing so, I doubt Bin Laden would hesitate to make the US look deparate and foolish.
Having said that, let's not be insulting by suggesting that GWB didn't make capturing UBL a priority. The fact of the matter is that the information to led to UBL's demise (the identity of the courier) was first obtained during GWB's administration and as a result of his administration's efforts against terrorism. It took time and, according to that story I posted, a mistake by a UBL associate that led to the location of the courier and the eventually mission that led to UBL's death.
Kudos to President Obama and his Administration for making the right call to keep the information from Pakistan and carry out the mission ourselves. Kudos to the SEAL team for it execution of the mission. Kudos to our intelligence workers who diligently pursued the information and leads. Kudos to the individuals who conducted the interrogations that first developed the information. And kudos to the Bush Administration for developing the plans that led to the capture of KSM and the other guy who provided the information.
Seems to me that this is a victory for the USA, not a specific political party.
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I guess I shouldnt be looking at this from a political angle. A press conference saying Bin Laden was killed a week ago and his body has been destroyed seemed fishy. It just seems to story book, the timing and all but sometimes thing actually do work out. I am glad the guy is dead of course. However I dont think it changes much. I dont see it as "a great moment in American history" as some say. It is just another chapter in a shitty book that doesnt end. Not that American history is shitty but our dealings with the middle east is a messy deal. Hopefully terrorist will fight amoung themself to grab the top spot and kill on eachother for a while.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"The little man in my head is telling me this could be a trick to get Obama reelcted."
Jesus, the guy could give away free ice cream and people wouldn't be satisfied . By every legitimate account, Obama managed this thing brilliantly, from making the killing or capture of bin Laden a priority as soon as he took office to monitoring the actual operation in real time. Less than 24 hours later, there are ulterior motives being ascribed. Sorry, Karl Rove doesn't run the fucking country anymore.
I dont hate Obama. Part of the problem with his followers and the anti-obama crowd is that everyone assumes that you are either for him or against him.
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"Seems to me that this is a victory for the USA, not a specific political party."
I'm not suggesting it is. But the contrast is rather stark. Obama, a duly-elected President, avenged the deaths of 3,000 Americans by targeting and authorizing the mission that killed the man who is responsible, at the expense of none of our troops.
His predecessor, who was only in office because his handlers manipulated one election, maybe two, used 9/11 to avenge an entirely unrelated attempt to kill his father by a man who was directly responsible for murdering zero Americans, at a cost of what, about 5,000 of our servicemen?
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"Part of the problem with his followers and the anti-obama crowd is that everyone assumes that you are either for him or against him."
Well, when someone suggests almost immediately his suspicion of a conspiracy, it tends to infer a certain opinion. If I misread that, I apologize.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"Part of the problem with his followers and the anti-obama crowd is that everyone assumes that you are either for him or against him."
Well, when someone suggests almost immediately his suspicion of a conspiracy, it tends to infer a certain opinion. If I misread that, I apologize.
I would have been just as suspicious of Bush, if not more. I think I am off base with that therory. Obama has gained alot of points.
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"I would have been just as suspicious of Bush, if not more."
I would have suspected Bush of nothing. The one thing I never questioned about Bush was his sincerity. More's the pity.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"Seems to me that this is a victory for the USA, not a specific political party."
I'm not suggesting it is. But the contrast is rather stark. Obama, a duly-elected President, avenged the deaths of 3,000 Americans by targeting and authorizing the mission that killed the man who is responsible, at the expense of none of our troops.
His predecessor, who was only in office because his handlers manipulated one election, maybe two, used 9/11 to avenge an entirely unrelated attempt to kill his father by a man who was directly responsible for murdering zero Americans, at a cost of what, about 5,000 of our servicemen?
And yet you can't resist a chance to take a shot about the 2000 election. The man served two terms as President of the country. It's like Cardinal fans who still complain about the 1985 World Series. Get over it.
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Here's my piece on Obama, and I truly believe in this modern era of technology, these poor bastards have it so much harder then their predaccessors. He's doing the job, and doing a good job.
You will never find an American President who is not 250% passionate about loving America. Throw that out, all of these guys want America to remain great. In today's era, there are 1 million lines in the sand, and it seems like for each one of them, there's a citizen who's on one side or another. Should you cross a line, you lose votes, votes that may not come back when you're on the right side of another line....
But consider this. Obama is getting results. He's living off the economic restructure of the Bush era, but also making diligent plans for the future of the US Debt. He received the intel, reviewed the case, and ordered the strike that got Bin Laden. He didn't waste taxpayers money for 10 years on a trial, he didn't provide a mosque style holy ground for bin-laden lovers to worship. Taking him alive means you're under an expiring clock for Al-Queda, your leader is here, and we're going to execute him. That would lead to retaliation, kidnappings, hostages, and a fever of bullshit we'd have to deal with. In many ways, I think the fallout would be worse, having to guard the son of a bitch day and night to make sure no inmates kill him, and nobody breaks him out. As it stands? The son of a bitch is dead, we did a makeshift muslim burial, not perfect, but we're not fucking muslims, so sorry.
I've thought nothing about Obama other than to be happy to see the color boundary broken in the Oval Office. The last months with the budgetting he's trying to get through, and now pulling the trigger on the operation that took Bin Laden.... He's really becoming a fucking hero of mine, and I had shit for hopes when he took office. I don't think there's a single soul that can say Obama has underachieved during this term at this point, is there?