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The Shelby Miller thread had sort of taken this path, but thought it might be good to have a thread to discuss all of the prospects.
Carlos Martinez was outstanding in his minor league debut, pitching 4 scoreless innings and striking out 6 with only 1 walk.
It may be overstating it a wee bit, but his manager compared him to a young Pedro Martinez.
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Is this one of Uncle Jeff's "nephews?"
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This is the kid that had all of the issues with his Visa. I think when we signed him, his name was Carlos Mattias. The Red Sox signed him the year before, but the contract was voided when an issue arose with his identity.
I suppose the one good thing is that with all of the controversy, there is pretty good reason to believe that this kid is actually 19. There was a lot of research into his age and identity before the government and MLB finally OK'd this deal.
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Yeah, I think he's legitimately 19 and could be the real deal.
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"It may be overstating it a wee bit, but his manager compared him to a young Pedro Martinez."
but comparing Jay to Hart is stupid.
it would be interesting to learn a bit more about culture in the DR, particularly as regards baseball, to find out more about what might be behind the identity issue thing. i understand how some people understate their age, and this was rumored for both Renteria and Pujols, among many others. But why on Earth would someone operate under a fictitious name, using their correct age?
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Martinez is his mother's name. She died when he was young and Carlos was raised by an uncle who's last name is Mattias. He took the name Mattias, but not legally. It was a very innocent discrepancy. For clarity, he's using his legal name.
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"Martinez is his mother's name. She died when he was young"
Well, don't I feel like an asshole ...
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"it would be interesting to learn a bit more about culture in the DR, particularly as regards baseball, to find out more about what might be behind the identity issue thing."
It's pretty simple, Max. You either lie about your age and enhance your chances of getting off one of the poorest islands in the Western Hemisphere or tell the truth and risk, as Pedro Martinez once said, picking fruit for the rest of your life.
There are other elements, like these so-called scouts/agents/uncles who get paid by the number of kids they get signed, who know their way around miniscule issues like a Dominican birth certificate. Here's an archived story from the Washington Post that goes into pretty good detail:
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"It's pretty simple, Max. You either lie about your age and enhance your chances of getting off one of the poorest islands in the Western Hemisphere or tell the truth and risk, as Pedro Martinez once said, picking fruit for the rest of your life."
with much experience in indonesia, i got that idea. but i did not get why someone would a different name but the correct age. fors explained it. no further mystery to solve.
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I thought the advantage to lieing about your age was to turn a guy who was really 27 and at his prime into a 21 year old with no limit to were his talent could take him. He gets his big contract only to fade because he is now past his prime. I didnt figure kids in their early 20s or late teens would lie about their age because they had yet to reach their prime years.
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APRTW wrote:
I thought the advantage to lieing about your age was to turn a guy who was really 27 and at his prime into a 21 year old with no limit to were his talent could take him. He gets his big contract only to fade because he is now past his prime. I didnt figure kids in their early 20s or late teens would lie about their age because they had yet to reach their prime years.
Same theory AP. If a 21 year old kid can convince someone he's 16, teams will think he's a phenom who will be that much better 5-6 years down the road. The team thinks it's getting a high school kid and instead they get a kid already old enough to drink. The development window is closing.
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sounds like this kid didn't lie about his age, nor even really about his name. he just used the name of the woman who was raising him. people in indonesia can be very naive about issues of legality. my MiL needed a new passport and she somehow thought it would be kosher to simply remove her 5-year visa to America from her old passport, and glue it into her new passport. You want to pull your hair out sometimes, it's so maddening.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"Martinez is his mother's name. She died when he was young"
Well, don't I feel like an asshole ...
Is it to harsh for me to say "you are what you eat" and it be taken as a joke?
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I usually don't encourage people to watch ESPN, but it's worth tuning in to BBTN tonight to see a clip of the double play Yuniesky Betancourt just started against the Padres. Ozzie-esque.
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"my MiL needed a new passport and she somehow thought it would be kosher to simply remove her 5-year visa to America from her old passport, and glue it into her new passport. You want to pull your hair out sometimes, it's so maddening."
It's not just Indonesians. We took a cruise to the Caribbean a few years ago and the cruise line didn't let a family on board the boat in Florida because they hadn't brought their passports. They had that incredulous "Who knew you needed a passport to go to the Bahamas?" attitude, which went over really well.
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APRTW wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
"Martinez is his mother's name. She died when he was young"
Well, don't I feel like an asshole ...Is it to harsh for me to say "you are what you eat" and it be taken as a joke?
I really shouldn't have expected any less ...
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"my MiL needed a new passport and she somehow thought it would be kosher to simply remove her 5-year visa to America from her old passport, and glue it into her new passport. You want to pull your hair out sometimes, it's so maddening."
It's not just Indonesians. We took a cruise to the Caribbean a few years ago and the cruise line didn't let a family on board the boat in Florida because they hadn't brought their passports. They had that incredulous "Who knew you needed a passport to go to the Bahamas?" attitude, which went over really well.
wait a moment, don't we own the Bahamas? I thought they were like Puerto Rico, just sort of an American possession.
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Max wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
"my MiL needed a new passport and she somehow thought it would be kosher to simply remove her 5-year visa to America from her old passport, and glue it into her new passport. You want to pull your hair out sometimes, it's so maddening."
It's not just Indonesians. We took a cruise to the Caribbean a few years ago and the cruise line didn't let a family on board the boat in Florida because they hadn't brought their passports. They had that incredulous "Who knew you needed a passport to go to the Bahamas?" attitude, which went over really well.wait a moment, don't we own the Bahamas? I thought they were like Puerto Rico, just sort of an American possession.
I thought the whole world was America's property. We are not welcome anyplace?
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forsberg_us wrote:
APRTW wrote:
I thought the advantage to lieing about your age was to turn a guy who was really 27 and at his prime into a 21 year old with no limit to were his talent could take him. He gets his big contract only to fade because he is now past his prime. I didnt figure kids in their early 20s or late teens would lie about their age because they had yet to reach their prime years.
Same theory AP. If a 21 year old kid can convince someone he's 16, teams will think he's a phenom who will be that much better 5-6 years down the road. The team thinks it's getting a high school kid and instead they get a kid already old enough to drink. The development window is closing.
That wouldnt bug me to much. If the kid is 20 or under and throwing 95 I would want to take a look at him.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"my MiL needed a new passport and she somehow thought it would be kosher to simply remove her 5-year visa to America from her old passport, and glue it into her new passport. You want to pull your hair out sometimes, it's so maddening."
It's not just Indonesians. We took a cruise to the Caribbean a few years ago and the cruise line didn't let a family on board the boat in Florida because they hadn't brought their passports. They had that incredulous "Who knew you needed a passport to go to the Bahamas?" attitude, which went over really well.
Nay, nay. Bahamians are more than happy to let you in with a wave of your passport. As you probably know from your travels abroad, it's getting back into the U.S. that's the difficult part. If there's one bit of advice I'd ever pass along, it's do whatever you can do to avoid the Miami airport if you're arriving on an international flight. That place would have to get about 50 percent more organized to rise to the level of a clusterfuck.
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the lines at us immigration have gotten a lot worse the last few years and it can be 30 minutes or more in the US citizen line. the non-citizen line is insane, and i can only imagine what people think of the usa when, after a 8-15 hour transpacific flight, they have to stand in an immigration line for an hour or more only to get fingerprinted and interrogated.
the line at TSA to get out took me about 35 minutes, and that was getting in line at 23:45. what the hell are we doing?
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Memphis
Rick Porcello ... er, Pete Kozma went 4-4 today in a 10-2 win over Fresno. His avg. improved to .220.
Stavi leads the team with 6 HRs and 23 RBI, but is batting .242
Might want to hold off Donovan Solano Bobblehead Night. He's batting .130 in 54 ABs.
Ottavino is 1-3, but with a 2.85 ERA. He's walked 23 in 41 IP.
Lefty Nick Additon (46th round, 2006) was 2-0 with a 2.85 with 32 Ks in 40 innings in Springfield before being called up this week. He's pitched three scoreless innings for the Redbirds.
Springfield
Matthew Adams (23rd round; 2009) leads the team in all three triple crown categories with .300/10/30 in 132 ABs. He also leads the team in errors with five. He's a first baseman.
Steven Hill is batting .188 as a DH.
Palm Beach
Zack Cox has a .328 BA but only a .765 OPS in 33 games. 134 ABs, 2 homers and 4 walks. Yikes.
Shelby Miller now has 59 Ks in 40 innings. He's 2-2 with a 3.15 ERA in 7 starts.
Jordan Swagerty gave up 2 runs in 5 IP with no walks and 6 Ks in his first start in High A.
QC
Oscar Taveras (18yo FA from the DR) is putting up slow-pitch softball numbers - .500/.692/1.228 through 14 games. He a L/L outfielder. He hit .322/8/43 in 53 games last year at JC.
Seth Blair is 1-3 with a 4.95 ERA and 17 Ks and 17 walks in 20 innings.
Carlos Martinez's second start didn't go as well as his first: 2.2 5 6 6 3 2
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"Lefty Nick Additon"
Thanks for the update, Artie, but I'm steeling myself for what I presume will be another pronunciation travesty a la Lohse and Favre: "Nick Addition". Say it ain't so. Of course, if he's good I'll get over it.
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JV wrote:
"Lefty Nick Additon"
Thanks for the update, Artie, but I'm steeling myself for what I presume will be another pronunciation travesty a la Lohse and Favre: "Nick Addition". Say it ain't so. Of course, if he's good I'll get over it.
Aye to that. I had to look at it three times, and then my fingers still tried to spell it wrong. That name is a copy editor's nightmare. Can't wait for the P-D's headline "Additon good addition to bullpen ..."
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Shelby Miller, who is not impressive due to the fact that he's not a major league pitcher at 20, allowed two runs, struck out 10 and walked two in six innings today. He's struck out 10 or more batters five times. Hitters are batting .216 and have two home runs against him.
This overhyped young hurler has a 4:1 strikeout-to-walk ratio and if he keeps up, will be bringing his mediocre stuff to Springfield where the Cardinals can continue selling us a false bill of goods on how good he is.
Also, Carlos Martinez struck out nine of the 18 batters he faced yesterday and was still throwing in the mid-90s as his pitch count got towards 80.
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