Dare I say that, while the language was different, Pujols made some remarks about the Mets in the, what 2004 NLCS(?), that were designed to pump some energy and courage into his teammates.  Who ultimately won the battle on the playing field after the "little bitches" remark?

AP, don't get me wrong.  Pujols is a far classier guy than Philips, and that shouldn't even need saying.

My point was that the game they were playing was the same: a public statement to fire up your teammates and tweak your opponents.  Look, given Pujols's loquacity, saying "He wasn't good. He wasn't good at all", is about equivalent to the Terminator saying "Fuck you, asshole."  More importantly, the game worked in both cases.  Unless I am mistaken, Philips got us.  What's our record against the Reds since he made that statement?  What had it been over the preceding year or two?

"What's our record against the Reds since he made that statement?"

I believe it's 7-5. The Cardinals subsequently swept the series in Cincy, played a series later in St. Louis in which I believe the Cardinals won two of three and Phillips was largely ineffective, won two of three in St. Louis in April, and got swept last weekend.

Max wrote:

I was wrong about the effect, then, but I still think that the game was the same.

I think you are wrong altogether.  Pujols isnt a motivator or rally the troops kind of guy and in a very different way neither is Phillips.  If you want to believe that then fine because I am not going to post all day to trying convince you of their personalities.

artie_fufkin wrote:

AP, I think you're right about Phillips being a douche.

That is the easy one.  As far as Pujols goes I dont think he is a clubhouse presence.  He is a leader by example type of guy.  He might talk to someone about there swing or the pitcher they are facing but he isnt the guy gives the rally speach.  I dont mean that in a bad way either.  I just dont think it is his thing.  I dont see Holliday as that guy either.  I think that is why last years team seemed so bland and the guys they brought in helped change that.  I am not saying they are antisocial.  I just tink it take someone else to get them going.  I think it is completely out of charactor for Pujols to say something to he press to get the team fired up as Max said he did. 


The first time the team faced Glavine in the NLCS he carved the up.  It was a shutout.  Almost all he outs were to the leftfield side and all (4 hits) hits were to the rightfield side.  It was game one, they were pumped ad tried to pull everything.  That doesnt work when Glavine is throwing junk 6 inchs off the plate.  In game four they knocked him out in four innings.  They made an effort to take the ball the other way and that was all it took.  That is what Pujols wanted to say after game one.  Glavine was hittable but there approach was wrong.

Max wrote:

APRTW wrote:

Max wrote:

I was wrong about the effect, then, but I still think that the game was the same.

I think you are wrong altogether.  Pujols isnt a motivator or rally the troops kind of guy and in a very different way neither is Phillips.  If you want to believe that then fine because I am not going to post all day to trying convince you of their personalities.

Well, we certainly don't have to agree about this, but I didn't make it up.  I just agreed with it.  The comment that Pujols was trying to hearten his teammates after getting wiped out by . . . hmm, Glavine I think, came from a broadcaster at the time. Just looked it up.  It was the 2006 NLCS, Mets shut out the Cards in game 1, Glavine on the mound.  The opinion that was offered was that Pujols was not trying to diss the Mets, who had just shut out the Cards, but rather trying to encourage his teammates that they could hit against the Met's pitchers.

A similar take was made about Philips not too long ago.  The comment was along the lines that Philips, despite his badboy image in St. Louis, is a light-hearted fun-loving guy who was trying to stoke his teammates.  the fact that he is a dick, and did so by dissing the cards as little bitches, makes what he did very different from what pujols did, but the game was the same.  that's the take.  it sounds reasonable to me.

Why do you always tell someone else to look stuff up?  I dont need to look it up.  I knew it happend in 2006 not 2004.  If Pujols is such a motivator why cant I think of one other time in his 10 year career that he has said anything.  I would say TLR's take on the situation is closer to true.  He said those are the type of replies you are going to get when questions are asked directly after a losing effort.  He wasnt supportive of Pujols' comments.  I would take his opinion over national broadcasters who likely forgot the Cardinals even had a team in 2006. 

You must have forget what Phillips comments were: "I hate the Cardinals. All they do is bitch and moan about everything, all of them, they're little bitches, all of them. I hate the Cardinals."  Those are not light hearted.  He might have said it to get his team amped for the series but it didnt work.  Hell it didnt even get him amped up.  He played like shit.  I believe he said it to grab headlines like every other comment he makes.

APRTW wrote:

Max wrote:

APRTW wrote:

I think you are wrong altogether.  Pujols isnt a motivator or rally the troops kind of guy and in a very different way neither is Phillips.  If you want to believe that then fine because I am not going to post all day to trying convince you of their personalities.

Well, we certainly don't have to agree about this, but I didn't make it up.  I just agreed with it.  The comment that Pujols was trying to hearten his teammates after getting wiped out by . . . hmm, Glavine I think, came from a broadcaster at the time. Just looked it up.  It was the 2006 NLCS, Mets shut out the Cards in game 1, Glavine on the mound.  The opinion that was offered was that Pujols was not trying to diss the Mets, who had just shut out the Cards, but rather trying to encourage his teammates that they could hit against the Met's pitchers.

A similar take was made about Philips not too long ago.  The comment was along the lines that Philips, despite his badboy image in St. Louis, is a light-hearted fun-loving guy who was trying to stoke his teammates.  the fact that he is a dick, and did so by dissing the cards as little bitches, makes what he did very different from what pujols did, but the game was the same.  that's the take.  it sounds reasonable to me.

Why do you always tell someone else to look stuff up?

Read again and I was clearly saying that I had just looked it up and corrected myself: "Just looked it up."  If I had told you to look something up it would have been "Just look it up."

APRTW wrote:

Max wrote:

APRTW wrote:

Why do you always tell someone else to look stuff up?

Read again and I was clearly saying that I had just looked it up and corrected myself: "Just looked it up."  If I had told you to look something up it would have been "Just look it up."

Sorry, I have been pissier then normal lately.

no problem.

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