APIAD wrote:

That slide was nothing that injured Beltran.  Any real right fielder would have got there standing up.

^This . In addition to his "injuries", he is lazy....

JV wrote:

don.rob11 wrote:

APIAD wrote:

That slide was nothing that injured Beltran.  Any real right fielder would have got there standing up.

^This . In addition to his "injuries", he is lazy....

Didn't he get kudos for aggressive baserunning that led to a recent win? I'm willing to accept the premise that his body just isn't up to the challenge right now, but I rarely see actual plays.

Most of his laziness is in the outfield. In an effort to make up for his lack of hustle, announcers have acclaimed his smoothness, and how graceful he is. That's BS. Jon Jay has to make far too many plays in right-center field that other right fielders make easily . The play in foul territory the other day shows he clearly did not start running until he got about 10 feet from the foul-line. Had he started out hustling, he would have made the play. This is not a first for him, probably won't be the last ....

Then there's the whole other thing with his bat ....

Kelly's pitches are hanging up there, take him out ...

Last edited by don.rob11 (9/03/2012 3:12 pm)

Need him for 3, now; buckle up ....

"Any real right fielder would have got there standing up."

Yeah, I though he went after it a little too casually until the last 25 feet or so, when he saw he had a shot at it. I've never bought that "Beltran doesn't waste any motion ..." line the Cardinals were trying to feed us in the first half. He's never going to be compared to Pete Rose.

Shannon was going nuts on the radio.  The way he called it made it almost seem like someone listening to the game informed the Cardinals dugout.  I assume that the Cardinals have people in the clubhouse watching the game on TV for moments like that?

don.rob11 wrote:

JV wrote:

don.rob11 wrote:

^This . In addition to his "injuries", he is lazy....

Didn't he get kudos for aggressive baserunning that led to a recent win? I'm willing to accept the premise that his body just isn't up to the challenge right now, but I rarely see actual plays.

Most of his laziness is in the outfield. In an effort to make up for his lack of hustle, announcers have acclaimed his smoothness, and how graceful he is. That's BS. Jon Jay has to make far too many plays in right-center field that other right fielders make easily . The play in foul territory the other day shows he clearly did not start running until he got about 10 feet from the foul-line. Had he started out hustling, he would have made the play. This is not a first for him, probably won't be the last ....

Then there's the whole other thing with his bat ....

Don, I disagree with the idea that Beltran is lazy. After seeing his total lack of power and the way his offense has become so non-existent, I'd say his knee has gotten worse. Strauss said he was limping out of the stadium after Sunday's game. To me, it looks like Beltran knows his knee is going to explode. The guy simply isn't healthy enough to go at full speed.

Lazy is a strong term , I know , but as JV pointed out, there have been examples of baserunning (very few lately , since he hasn't been on base much ),where he seems to have an extra burst of speed . If he can exhibit some explosiveness on the basepaths, why not in the outfield . He's worn down / hurting , I agree but I've seen some of the same; (taking plays off), prior to the all-star game . And I've seen it discussed on other board forums  as well . I like the guy well enough, but if I'm pitching , I'd like to know my outfielders are going to go hard after balls , and if not get someone out there who can . By the same token , if I'm an outfielder, I'd like to think my pitcher is giving it everything he's got as well .

don.rob11 wrote:

Lazy is a strong term , I know , but as JV pointed out, there have been examples of baserunning (very few lately , since he hasn't been on base much ),where he seems to have an extra burst of speed .

My guess is that it's easier on his knees to break into sprint once he's already running. Lance Berkman was the same way a year ago. Acceleration takes a toll on the knees.

don.rob11 wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Shannon was going nuts on the radio.  The way he called it made it almost seem like someone listening to the game informed the Cardinals dugout.  I assume that the Cardinals have people in the clubhouse watching the game on TV for moments like that?

Beltran may have some value afterall "



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Motte said it was Molina who told him to appeal to first. Those Puerto Rican guys all look alike anyway.

Last edited by artie_fufkin (9/04/2012 8:03 am)

"I assume that the Cardinals have people in the clubhouse watching the game on TV for moments like that?"

There's almost always someone in the clubhouse watching the tube. In Boston, they send out for chicken and beer and play poker while the game is on.

JV wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Motte said it was Molina who told him to appeal to first. Those Puerto Rican guys all look alike anyway.

Yeah. It's just like all them politicians they're trotting out at both conventions. How come they go to other states to get elected? Couldn't they just stay and be mayor of Puerto Rico (errr)?

I don't know if it's like this in other parts of the country, but anyone around here who looks remotely Hispanic is referred to by a certain demographic as "Puerto Rican" (pronounced locally as "Pautareekin") no matter what their actual ancestry is.
Which is a segue into one of the more unintentionally funny moments ever, when I heard over a police scanner an officer once ask if the house translator was fluent in "Brazilian."