"The Cardinals would like to get a major-league player in return for Schumaker, especially if it's one who could satisfy their need for a righthanded bat on the bench."

Ask them for Matt Kemp. What the hell?

My question to everyone suggesting Rosenthal has to make the team is when does he pitch. An argument could have been made for non-tendering Mujica and his $3M salary, but they didn't do that. I like the kid as much as anyone, but don't see the point of having him for those occasions the starter can't get through the 6th. Seems like a waste to me. They believe he's a starter, let h go to Memphis and start.

Assuming health, the rotation is Carp, Wainwright, Garcia, Weatbrook and Lynn. Motte, Boggs, Mujica, Salas, Scrabble and Choate are 6 of the 7 relievers. Personally, I think Kelly's future is in the bullpen, so I give him the 7th bullpen spot and send Miller and Rosenthal to get innings.

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Yeah. This reminds me of when the Cardinals have Edmonds that foolish 2 year deal after 2006. They're paying him for what he did in the World Series and playoffs. Dumb.

Not so sure I agree, but it ain't my money.

Not sure you agree that it was good they passed on Scutaro or that it was dumb to sign Edmonds after 2006?

Not sure I agree it was dumb to give Edmonds his gold watch.  Why the fuck would any company ever spend anything on an employee's retirement, unless it was a good idea.  The only thing we need to wrap our minds around is the size of the dollars involved: gold watch, millions of dollars . . . what's the difference?

The Cardinals held a team option for 2007. Edmonds' performance and health were already in decline by 2006. Extending him thru 2008 made no sense.

In the end, it worked out. If they had simply picked up his option, they couldn't have traded Edmonds after 2007. But giving him the second year wasn't the brightest move Jocketty ever made.

artie_fufkin wrote:

"The Cardinals would like to get a major-league player in return for Schumaker, especially if it's one who could satisfy their need for a righthanded bat on the bench."

Ask them for Matt Kemp. What the hell?

Sorry, but for some reason that reminded me of one of the most wickedly funny trade rumors in the history of our chats.  Way back when, there was rumor of a trade (with the Mets?): Cards send player x and get Player y.  The problem being that the trade was unbalanced in favor of the other team, thus the Cards were encouraged to throw in Brett Tomko to make it more even . . . for themselves!

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

He's a 24-year-old kid with 100 major league innings who started the 2011 season in High A, TK. I'd like to think the best part of his career is ahead of him.

Here, here.  I remember back in 2004 when Mags was singing the praises of Danny Haren, whose 2003-2004 MLB stats were not particularly impressive:

        ERA    WHIP    BAA
2003 5.08    1.46    .293   
2004 4.50    1.35    .265

Sometimes you have to give prospects a chance to flourish.

Sincerely,

Anthony Reyes, Adam Kennedy, Coco Crisp, Chris Perez, etc.

Cardinals sign Ty Wigginton for 2/$5 million. Wigginton is not good against lefties and he can't play the outfield, so I have no idea what this is supposed to accomplish.

Well, he's got some pop and I guess best case is that you hope for Eduardo Perez Redux, but...meh.

forsberg_us wrote:

I have to imagine they view Wiggington as at least an option at 2B, although the Goold write up seems to depict him as a RH corner infield, corner outfield option. 

I agree Tk, his recent split against LH pitching aren't good, but for his career, he hits lefties better than righties.

He isn't AAAron Miles, Ryan Theriot or Shane Robinson, so at least he's got that going for him.

I have a hard time understanding zone rating and all that put his fielding% seems low at every postions.  If he could field second base he would be the best option.  I dont see Beltran being as good as he was last year.  Having a bat like Wigginton's in the lineup might help off set Beltran's decline.  Basicly he took Skip's roster spot.  He will be more usefull on this team then Skip would have.

"The Cardinals sought a power presence from the right side for the bench, and they hoped that it would come with some seasoning. The position wasn't important, general manager John Mozeliak said earlier this season, but Wigginton's ability to play the corner positions and spell starters David Freese and Allen Craig is a plus"

I think that is an odd statement.  Are they saying that Wigginton is going to be treated like Matt Stairs?

tkihshbt wrote:

Well, he's got some pop and I guess best case is that you hope for Eduardo Perez Redux, but...meh.

He's surprisingly inexpensive for a guy who was an All-Star in 2010, and we don't have to piss and moan anymore about Shano being the first right-handed option off the bench, but your "meh" sums it up for me, too.

Max wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

Cardinals sign Ty Wigginton for 2/$5 million. Wigginton is not good against lefties and he can't play the outfield, so I have no idea what this is supposed to accomplish.

and he's the guy who clocked Molina on a vicious collision at home, no?

Several years ago, yes

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050913&content_id=1208440&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

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Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

and he's the guy who clocked Molina on a vicious collision at home, no?

Several years ago, yes

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050913&content_id=1208440&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

"The same two players collided at home plate in a game last year, with the same result."

OK, so he clocked Molina twice.  Frankly I am surprised they would even consider Wigginton, as I recall a lot of negative sentiment about him among Cardinal Nation, similar to what is felt for Janey Cueto and her high heels.

I recall some animosity toward Wigginton as well, but there's a huge difference between crashing a catcher and kicking a guy in the head. There's a huge difference between just about anything and kicking a guy in the head.