It's not the worst move they could have made, especially if they're serious about giving Yadi more rest. He's capable defensively, and he's a switch-hitter, though the latter trait won't be much of a factor because Matheny doesn't use his backup catcher to pinch-hit.

tkihshbt wrote:

And the first move has been made. The Cards signed Brayan Pena to a two-year deal.

Sort of a nothing move. Idk how much better then cruz he is.  At the plate he may be alittle better.   Behind it, it sounds like 2015 was a career worst year.  I dont see him taking much time from yadi. 
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

I don't think Mozeliak needs to defend his record of not splurging on free agents. I don't think another NL team has won as many games as the Cardinals since 2009. That said, they need to pay up this winter.

2x.....however who was the last free agent (big name) the cardinal signed who wasnt previously on the team. Izzy?
 

Peralta? But your point is valid. No one is going to confuse Moz for my wife turned loose at the mall with a no-limit credit card.

 
Yeah perAlta would count I guess.  Even tho I dont think a ton of teams were in the running and it was only 4 years.  I dont think anyone saw peralta as a top of the league ss.  Ended up mo hif a hr with him.

alz wrote:

The twins just landed Byung Ho Park for 4 years/ 12Million dollars?

He hit .343 with 53 HRs and 146 RBIs in Korea last year, and that's only 3 million a year???? And we didn't look into this? He's a 1B option???

grrr.....

 
I remember reading somewhere the Cardinals at least kicked the tires, but I'm not sure if they submitted a bid.

don.rob11 wrote:

Looks like Price to Red Sox....

7 years, $217M

artie_fufkin wrote:

The Cardinals were apparently about to sign Price until the Red Sox blew their offer away. Just missed again. Obviously, Moz was exhausted after the Brayan Pena negotiations. A guy can only do so much.

 

Im not to disappointed.  Thats a high price....literally.   not sure why it bothers me seeing how I knew it woukd be high.  Just seeing the number is shocking.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

The Cardinals were apparently about to sign Price until the Red Sox blew their offer away. Just missed again. Obviously, Moz was exhausted after the Brayan Pena negotiations. A guy can only do so much.

 

Im not to disappointed. Thats a high price....literally. not sure why it bothers me seeing how I knew it woukd be high. Just seeing the number is shocking.

Hopefully having Price off the table helps the Cards to focus on other options and keeps Boston from bidding them up.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

The Cardinals were apparently about to sign Price until the Red Sox blew their offer away. Just missed again. Obviously, Moz was exhausted after the Brayan Pena negotiations. A guy can only do so much.

 

Im not to disappointed. Thats a high price....literally. not sure why it bothers me seeing how I knew it woukd be high. Just seeing the number is shocking.

I'm not disappointed or bothered. I'm confused. The Red Sox' owner last year publicly stated they wouldn't be going after Lester because their policy was not to sign pitchers over 30 to long-term contracts. Then they gave away the store for Price.
Then there's the lefty-pitching-in-Fenway component. The last left-handed pitcher to win 20 games with the Red Sox was Mel Parnell, in 1953.
And there's a soap opera angle because Price and Ortiz don't get along. It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out.

I saw a lot made of the fact that Price's ERA in Fenway is sub-2.00. Not sure how many games that covers.

I've seen reports today that the Cardinals offered 7 years and "at least $30M less" than Boston.  Playing detective, they probably offered more than 7/$175M ($25M per year), otherwise the report would have been "at least $40M less," but 7/$182M ($26M per year) fits in the correct range.  Honestly, I'm not sure I'm disappointed that the Cardinals missed out.  That's a whole lot of coin to a guy who's thrown 500 innings in the last 2 seasons.  I know he's been relatively injury-free, but you almost have to assume he misses at least 1 year during that deal.

And, not surprisingly, the Tony Cruz Era in St. Louis is over ...

http://m.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article/158642100/cardinals-trade-catcher-tony-cruz-to-royals?tcid=tw_share

The more I think about price the more happy I am that the cards missed.  I think there would be buyers remorse.  For that amount of money I dont think he is that much better then a mid range starter.  I mean ur cost per win ratio.  If the cards can sore up the roation alittle that money may be spent better else where and not have a gigantic co tract on the books forever.

We won't have Peter Bourjos to kick around anymore ...

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/12/02/phillies-claim-peter-bourjos-off-waivers-from-cardinals/

Peter Bourjos receives a raise from $1.65M to $2M from the Phillies. 

Other than porn, is there another industry in which someone can suck so much and still earn a 20% raise?

forsberg_us wrote:

Peter Bourjos receives a raise from $1.65M to $2M from the Phillies. 

Other than porn, is there another industry in which someone can suck so much and still earn a 20% raise?

 
I saw what you did there ...